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MidlandTrailquestsGraham - where do you actually live? Is it the midlands? Or the middle ages? Perhaps both?
So... the brutal, uncivilised carnivores you know, love nothing more than to feast on freshly, inhumanely slaughtered fwuffy things, served to them by their evil dehumanised slaves, before retiring to rape their wives, while liberally distributing detritus from their bedroom windows?
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Binners - you could rape the livestock and eat the wife?
Personally I don't see anything imoral in eating animals.
RichPenny - MemberNot sure I buy the hypocritical angle so much either. An analogy would be with coal. Digging it out of the ground and burning it is a dirty, smelly and dangerous process and one I wouldn't do, yet I'll happily use electricity. I think that makes me sensible rather than hypocritical.
I guess there's a finer line where people claim to love animals and also eat them Is it possible to do both, I wonder?
Two excellent points, I suppose using petrol comes in there somewhere!
As for loving animals and eating them, how about the cat owning vegetarians? do they feed their cats on vegetables or rabbit meat cat food and tuna chunks? all of the meat content farmed in the same inhumane ways. Do they find the cats cruel when they kill birds and mice (despite them not being hungry or needing to)? But it is in their nature they are cats, well we are human beings, the most successful hunters on the planet!
But then life is full of contradiction and compromise!
Went to the doctors the other day. I had a lettuce stuck up my bum.The doctor said, "I see the problem, you're not eating properly."
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Like I say..
SHE's given up on the argument because it causes SO much grief man.
2) farming for meat uses an unjustifiably large amount of resources. It takes many kg of veg matter to make 1kg of meat.
Did anyone read the thing about growing meat the other day? Interesting article, will try to dig it out. Sounds a bit creepy, but far more efficient, and no inhumane animal farming/killing.
2) farming for meat uses an unjustifiably large amount of resources. It takes many kg of veg matter to make 1kg of meat.
Just because [i]you[/i] think it's unjustifiable doesn't mean everyone else is supposed to agree.
I happen to think it [i]is[/i] justified because all the resulting juicy steaks are well worth sacrificing a load of rabbit food for.
joao - but is it worth people to starving for? is it worth the destruction of virgin forest?
I'm going to start eating more rabbit.
Win, win.
Do you veggies/vegans who participate in alcoholic beverages ensure that your pint/glass of wine/shot etc have all been produced without the addition of animal based products ? It would seem that not all producers declare this so do you actively avoid those or is it a case of ignorance is bliss ?
Who's destroying virgins in forests? That sounds a bit wrong
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You missed off sanctimony
You missed off 'troll'.
(Holy thread resurrection!)
how about the cat owning vegetarians? do they feed their cats on vegetables or rabbit meat cat food and tuna chunks?
No. When I've had cats, they've been fed cat food.
It's not comparable to humans though. Cats aren't omnivores, they're carnivores. It's actually considered cruel to keep a cat on a vegetarian diet.
But then life is full of contradiction and compromise!
It's only the same as going for a meal and having a veggieburger whilst my OH has a chickenburger. If I'm imposing my views and choices onto someone else (be that human or feline) then I'm "sanctimonious," if I'm not then I'm hypocritical. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Sounds like you should just eat a nice big steak then.
A friend of mine once worked at a farm at the weekends and they had a disused grain silo that they were preparing for the harvest...trouble is it was full of mice.
Load of petrol and a match from the farmer...and no more mice.
Sounds like you should just eat a nice big steak then.
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Load of petrol and a match from the farmer...and no more mice.
Did you eat them afterwards?
Not sure how pest control has any relevance on a discussion on diet?
Grill yourself a nice big juicy steak and as you sit down to eat it, put this on the stereo. And try enjoying it
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Nope, Omnivore here. We are top of the food chain. So as far as i'm concerned, everything on earth is there for us to eat should it take our fancy! 🙂 Though it is good that we have a plentiful supply of food that allows people to make choices.
17 years a veggie, dont miss meat in the slightest, each to their own, used to enjoy meat prior to going veg for health reasons. After all this time though the thought of eating meat actually repels me, I almost boaked stirring mince for my mother a year or so ago,it felt like I was stirring a carcass.
I was actually shocked by my reaction as I didnt get into it to save the animals, quite an interesting side effect of eating vegetables I guess.
Only thing I miss are Wine Gums and a Midget Gem addiction, American Hard Gums are a poor substitute...
it felt like I was stirring a carcass.
****ing drama queen..
Is vegetarianism a mental disorder (or symptom of)? Along the same lines as OCD etc? I've often wondered... and lines like this:
it felt like I was stirring a carcass
Make me wonder more... 😕
If God had intended man to be vegetarian he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
i dont eat alot of meat because it make me a moany t**t so i do go month on end without eating meat but i do get sick of people that wear the badge and beat you round the head with the meat is bad stick. we are able to eat meat and a little bit now and then is a good thing in my view.
If you want to avoid impacting animals through your diet I think you have to only eat food you've grown yourself.
The grain stored in that silo could have been used to make bread, potentially eaten by vegetarians going on about how eating meat is murder oblivious that all sorts of wild animals are dying to grow the ingredients.
We forgot cows and methane. I read somewhere once that if humans didn't rear cows for milk/beef/veal/leather/glue/rennet, the amount of methane in the atmosphere would be well different. Goats milk/cheese is ace, and they are way more fun to rear look after. Not sure about the meat though 😕
The most interesting thing about being a veggie is the way it seems to wind up meat eaters, who cares what anyone else eats?
Rampant meat evangelists are as bad, if not worse than fundamentalist veggies.
Despite being a veggie I have absolutely no desire to tell anyone else what to put in their mouths.
As for the mince and the carcass thing, that surprised me as well as I loved mince prior to giving it up.
[i]The most interesting thing about being a veggie is the way it seems to wind up meat eaters, who cares what anyone else eats?
Rampant meat evangelists are as bad, if not worse than fundamentalist veggies.[/i]
My wife finds that any mention of being a veggie gets people on the defensive yet she never suggests they shouldn't eat meat. When she decided, on environmental and animal welfare grounds to give up meat I said I'll go along with it (she cooks most days). I'm not a veggie, I occasionally eat fish, but after 5 years I don't miss meat at all.
@McHamish you obviously don't realise the hectarage devoted to growing crops (grazing, silage, cereals etc) for livestock, how much grain/grass a cow gets through to make 1lb lean meat or a pint of milk, or the energy and water used to make and supply it. By all means eat meat, but don't defend your decision by talking rubbish.
http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/freshwater/embedded-water/
@seosamh77 you might think everything's there for us but I think you'll find there are plenty of berries, flowers, herbs and fungi that will kill you or make you very ill, as will alcohol if you try hard enough.
I don't think cow's milk is as good for humans as the MMB/Dairy Council would have you believe (particularly claims about calcium and your bones), but I wouldn't go as far as saying people shouldn't drink it. I'm not into dictating, but I do feel the industrialised agriculture and food processing industries today allow people to make ill informed choices based on advertising so they feel it's fine to eat lots of food with excess sugar, salt, saturated and trans fats and goodness knows what else. I think artificial sweeteners are very bad and would be happier if they were banned.
fortunately, poisonous berries etc aren't top of my list of most fancied foods i'd like to try, phew, thank god for that! 😉 Like i say it's good that food stuffs are plentiful enough to allow people choice... I doubt you'll see too many Somali vegitarians or vegans these days mind.. hunger's good kitchen, as my ma says..
Is vegetarianism a mental disorder (or symptom of)? Along the same lines as OCD etc?
does eating meat make people stupid?
These threads always end up with cross meat eaters and indifferent veggies and apparently veggies are the ones annoyed at what others eat.
the weird thing about this thread resurrection is that myself and junkyard were probably discussing the matter of omnivores lashing out at vegetarians/vegans at precisely the same time some of this was posted this afternoon!
anyway, i "imposed" some vegan cakes and biscuits on a few mtb'ers today who were well aware of the lack of dairy products/eggs in them, and all were very impressed...