Very glad the Guardia shot them all dead before they were able to trigger their body bombs...
If these creatures (who subsequently perform terrorist attacks) are known to the security services, then 'simply' eradicate them
"Eradicate" people before they commit a crime? You mean just like Minority Report? I thought driverless cars were exciting, but the future really has arrived.
Can the assailants be disposed of in a way that means they won't get to paradise?
If they were cremated with a pig would that invalidate their entry?
Or fed to pigs?
Can the assailants be disposed of in a way that means they won't get to paradise?
If they were cremated with a pig would that invalidate their entry?
Or fed to pigs?
From what I've read, cremation is enough.
'simply' eradicate them.
You mean like the way ISIS want to eradicate non Muslims that sort of thing?
We are meant to be better than them.
We show this by actually being better than them and not doing what THEY do
Whilst we can all understand knee jerk reactions, to such upsetting incidents, the solution is not to behave like them.
It will not bring us closer to peace and will only "justify" them and make us as bad as them.
These situations are terrible and its disturbing to see them more and more.
I dont think any of us have a solution to this problem and none of us are sure what to do to try to prevent this happening again
I am certain that western barbarity is not the route to peace anymore than Islamic barbarity is.
Very glad the Guardia shot them all dead before they were able to trigger their body bombs...
Except they were only pretend bombs. Proving that with a few notable exceptions, your average Jihadi terrorist is... well.... a bit shit, really.
Driving vans at people as a way of mass killing is pretty desperate, and probably proof that more effective methods, ie: [i]actual[/i] bombs are way beyond their limited capabilities.
I'm not saying its not absolutely horrific, but you need to keep a sense of perspective with events like these
We should congratulate the Spanish police for their prompt responce to the second attack.
You can't eradicate the people but you can do a lot more to eradicate the threat
IS has been calling for exactly these types of attacks which have proven an effective tactic for Palestinian terrorists. It is time for anyone reading or accessing these sorts of communications to have their ID logged
that's along the same intellectual level as trump is currently promoting..zippykona - Member
Can the assailants be disposed of in a way that means they won't get to paradise?
If they were cremated with a pig would that invalidate their entry?
Or fed to pigs?
It is time for anyone reading or accessing these sorts of communications to have their ID logged
And do what? What are you then going to do with the thousands of people who's ID you've logged? Put them under 24-hour surveillance? Where are you going to get the manpower and resources to do that then?
Dear God! There are some really sophisticated and practical counter-terrorist measures being proposed here today
that'll learn thum!jambalaya - Member It is time for anyone reading or accessing these sorts of communications to have their ID logged
I get the sense the genie is out the bottle with this, sadly get used to it folks.
Except they were only pretend bombs. Proving that with a few notable exceptions, your average Jihadi terrorist is... well.... a bit shit, really.
I agree. At the moment they are "a bit shit". However, the IRA were probably "a bit shit" in 1973 but 20 years later they managed to do this.
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If that had been detonated without a warning, on a weekday, there would of been hundreds killed.
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Except they were only pretend bombs. Proving that with a few notable exceptions, your average Jihadi terrorist is... well.... a bit shit, really.Driving vans at people as a way of mass killing is pretty desperate, and probably proof that more effective methods, ie: actual bombs are way beyond their limited capabilities.
I'm not saying its not absolutely horrific, but you need to keep a sense of perspective with events like these
There was an explosion a day or two ago which has been linked to the van incident by police although I don't know if the link is 100% confirmed yet.
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IS has been calling for exactly these types of attacks which have proven an effective tactic for Palestinian terrorists. It is time for anyone reading or accessing these sorts of communications to have their ID logged
Well I guess you're logged now, because you've talked about it. Wait a minute, so am I...going to have to think about this one a bit more, possibly.
Just utterly horrible, thoughts are with both the victims and families.
Regarding dealing with the issue, fighting fire with fire merely gives the terrorist what they want. As Jim Jefferies said in his stand up about Paris, killing a load of innocents isn't their end game - they want to foster hate & terror. To that end, using a vehicle to kill a load of people does exactly what they want. How many vans do you pass on the way to work every morning? Potentially a terror attack in waiting yeah?
It's rare that I agree with Jamby in any of his posts but I do agree with the above - we have the technology to infiltrate attacks before they happen and I think more needs to be done with this. Sentiment analysis/big data mining is something I do a lot of at work and could be used extensively here to determine the individuals before attacks happen. Using their tactics to defeat them is exactly what they want.
As for Trump's reaction, what an utter ****..
Does sound like the Spanish police moved quickly & managed to stop further attacks.
As for tagging and IDing, in principle sounds like a good idea
But just look at the anti-terror hotline here, iirc both London bridge & Manchester attackers had been reported to police but, the police were too understaffed/ funded to follow up thoroughly enough. The police themselves had been warning the home secretary of this for years but she ignored them.
That kind of monitoring is impossible of you espouse a small state & austerity!
And the pigs blood thing is perfect example of self-defeating idiocy, would only incite more violence, & idiot in chief tweeting out conspiracy theories like that are perfect propaganda for IS recruiters
From what I've read, cremation is enough.
if that is true then that is what should happen - dying is the end goal for these people - they were wearing fake bombs to ensure that they would be shot dead and then start their journey to paradise.
If they could be cremated and therefore has their suppossed path ripped out from under them, then the incentive to martyr themselves would be gone. No cleric in the west should complain as otherwise they are condoning terrorism.
dying is the end goal for these people
Dying isn't their end goal, the end goal of isis is to set up their caliphate. Some don't mind dying in that process. But it's incredibly simplistic to say death and murder is their only motivation. They do have aspirations of territorial and political gains.
So, i'm struggling to see the effectiveness of this pigs blood master plan.
But it's incredibly simplistic to say death and murder is their only motivation.
Agreed
There are people all over the web celebrating these acts which to me does suggest it needs regulating more strictly.
Thats not going to be popular with some but could also address the issue of fake news so to me (today) seems like a reasonable cost given the benefits.
I'm not suggesting censorship btw more licensing to use the web.
Sympathies to all affected - directly and indirectly
[I hope that we avoid many of the knee jerk reactions to these atrocities. Liberty is the second major casualty of these cases and governments feel far too free to take it away. ]
seosamh77But it's incredibly simplistic to say death and murder is their only motivation. They do have aspirations of territorial and political gains.
Death and murder is the only motivation of the individual Islamist or group of Islamists. Obviously whoever is currently leading ISIS has bigger plans, and more broadly, Saudi Arabia plans to infect the world with their brand of Islam, exterminate the Shia's, then the Jews, then assimilate or murder everyone else after that, but it's not hard to argue that mayhem and murder isn't the primary goal of people commiting mayhem and murder.
Dying isn't their end goal, the end goal of isis is to set up their caliphate.
So why the fake bomb vests? Pretty sure dying is the end goal - ISIS recruit these losers to their cause and persuade them to do such acts based on the promise of a quick entry to paradise, and lots of Kim Kashadian lookalikes (well, apart from the butt maybe).
Why do al qaeda terrorists commit suicide then, there's no al qaeda caliphate on the cards ?
you crack on with that jimjam, I'm sure you'll have this solved by lunch time.
teamhurtmore - Member[I hope that we avoid many of the knee jerk reactions to these atrocities. Liberty is the second major casualty of these cases and governments feel far too free to take it away. ]
absolutely, to shut down western societies is one of their main goals imo, why would we facilitate that.
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Dying isn't their end goal, the end goal of isis is to set up their caliphate.
So why the fake bomb vests? Pretty sure dying is the end goal - ISIS recruit these losers to their cause and persuade them to do such acts based on the promise of a quick entry to paradise, and lots of Kim Kashadian lookalikes (well, apart from the butt maybe).Why do al qaeda terrorists commit suicide then, there's no al qaeda caliphate on the cards ?
Well understanding their motivations is one of the most important things imo. I'm just not willing to accept it as ridiculously simplistic as is made out. There are a thousand different reason why someone might attack.
I don't have all the answers, not claiming to.
TurnerGuyWhy do al qaeda terrorists commit suicide then, there's no al qaeda caliphate on the cards ?
Because they're broadly similar. Both believe in the principals of jihad and martyrdom and death to infidels.
Working with someone whose proposed solution is to kick out everyone related in any way to a suspected terrorist - friends, family, distant relatives etc.
Apparently it "worked for the Germans". Give me strength.
fake suicide vests are a pretty big clue to wanting 'death by cop'.
Can we have a separate thread for WMCRWKJCB reactions?
i wouldn't have thought so. if you don't like other peoples reactions, why are you reading them?
whatever WMCRWKJCB means
5 minutes silence across Spain today at midday to pay respects to the victims of the atrocities carried out yesterday.
Aren't 'we' meant to be cleverer than this?
Why aren't we countering the childish and simplistic propaganda that the likes of ISIS use to win over simpletons with some of our own.
It shouldn't be too difficult to discredit 'commanders' who send others to their deaths whilst continuing to enjoy their own life and the privileges of 'rank'. Or the string-pullers who are vastly wealthy and don't seem in any hurry to give up [i]their[/i] earthly existence.
Just a thought........
Big fire on the edge of BCN right now. Fingers crossed it's not related, and even more that no one is hurt....
News from Finland not looking thay lovely, either.
We are not allowed to criticise or even take the piss. Thats part of the cunning plan.
dannyh - MemberAren't 'we' meant to be cleverer than this?
Why aren't we countering the childish and simplistic propaganda that the likes of ISIS use to win over simpletons with some of our own.
It's not exactly clever to assume that their propaganda is simplistic (or that it's central to the issue). Equally myopic to assume they are simpletons.
It's not exactly clever to assume that their propaganda is simplistic (or that it's central to the issue). Equally myopic to assume they are simpletons.
I disagree 100% with that post.
dannyhI disagree 100% with that post.
Solid rebuttal.
Two people stabbed to death and multiple injuries in some kind melee attack in Turku Finland. Attacker shot dead at the scene by police.
At least the BBC aren't shying away from a robust and detailed debate about the true source of the problem on Any Questions:
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I mean, we're just bringing it on ourselves allowing such ready access to vehicles right? Poor terrorists deserve our sympathy- we're practically asking them to mow people down 😯
crosshair - MemberAt least the BBC aren't shying away from a robust and detailed debate about the true source of the problem on Any Questions:
Well fair play to the BBC. They stuck to their guns that people had indeed been "attacked by a van" in Barcelona, and lets not forget that lorry rampage in Nice.
Edit, actually not sure my memory of any questions is correct
Edit the edit, actually it's possible that question was asked by an audience member and not a panelist.
how about some sort of bollard at the entrance and exit of main pedestrian zones
I've held back until now but thought I'd share a bit of local background. I live 20 miles from Cambrils and 25 from Alcanar.
Cataluña has effectively 3 police forces, Guardia Civil and Policia who operate Spain-wide and are controlled from Madrid and Mossos d'Esquadra which is run from Barcelona. The Mossos are the most visible around where we live and are the ones who shot the Cambrils terrorists. I have heard from a reliable source that information sharing on terrorism between Madrid and Cataluña has been until very recently non existant, there is an ongoing independance row going on between Cataluña and the rest of Spain with another referendum planned in October. If, as has been reported, there was intel that an attack was imminent, this would have been received in Madrid but not shared with Cataluña which is pretty scandalous.
that's how the wheel turns unfortunately pistonbroke. unless somebody is on the gravy train or getting their back rubbed nobody gives a damn about nothing.
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Eradicate" people before they commit a crime? You mean just like Minority Report? I thought driverless cars were exciting, but the future really has arrived.
Think of it more as 'innoculation'. Stop it it before it does a lot of damage.
Oh wait....
