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Just heard on radio 🙁 Not good !
Ffs Boris, keep our military out of this **** storm in the making.
I hope that calm heads will prevail but fear that Iran may well have just shot itself in the foot☹️
Ming the Merciless
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I hope that calm heads will prevail but fear that Iran may well have just shot itself in the foot☹️
Both sides will will pay to be honest. That's one lesson that I thought had been learnt in the middle east.
Ffs Boris, keep our military out of this **** storm in the making.
Would have probably been better if he’d stayed drinking vodka in the Caribbean 😉
Putin must genuinely think he is in Nirvana now.
Conservatives in power, economy worsening, racism increasing and America at war with the Middle East. How I’ve missed the 70s.
Attacks appear to be 'near' bases. An element of sabre rattling perhaps, show of force in retaliation.
So far Trump has shown he only reacts to American casualties and they know that. So maybe some hope yet.
How predictable.
Let's hope that Iran and all other middle eastern countries contain their actions/responses/retaliations to their own geographies.
They won't.
Thanks Trump you f'ing idiot.
This will possibly/probably unleash violence and hostilities on countries which had nothing to do with Trump's actions.
Any request for support from US allies should be rejected in the strongest possible terms.
Can her maj get Bond to take out trump jnr - that inconsequential piece of shit posts bollox to the dummies to follow him; get rid.
Ming the Merciless
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I hope that calm heads will prevail but fear that Iran may well have just shot itself in the foot
TBF Iran got shot in the foot on the 3rd of January. This is more or less the reaction of someone that's really pissed off about being shot in the foot, and that also has millions of people going "Dude! America just shot you in the foot, you can't just let them get away with that". Because that's the basic problem- the assassination of Soleimani almost had to provoke a response.
I reckon their calmer heads have been frantically searching for an acceptable option that isn't also just certain war, and maybe they think this is it. I was expecting tanker attacks, or a sudden wave of "totally not Iranian guv" terrorist attacks on US assets myself. Their announcement is pitched totally that it's an attack on Iraqi bases for hosting US forces, rather than a direct attack on the US forces hosted there, that's a difference that makes no difference except for politics and visuals.
Just been listening to CNN etc and they are theorising that this is a "measured" response. Meaning to target Iraqi forces in those bases not US troops...
So... It might mean Iran wants to save face but go no further.
However, even if that is so, Trump might still escalate anyway?
Trump has gone dark on Twitter I see.
Edit: Northwind beat me to it and put it better.
Air traffic being redirected.
A few reports of casualties.
My bets are on cruise missiles flying everywhere before I get off shift.
What a great start to 2020.
From Trump perspective, no reports of American casualties. As yet anyway.
Iraqi casualties but Trump won't be concerned about that.
I think it now comes down to whether these missiles can be seen to have deliberately targeted the Iraqi parts of these bases.
However, with Trump who bleedin knows what happens yet.
USA Vs Iran. Has the war just started?
I thought it started in 1979, or 1954, or 1240, or something.
Airliner out of Iran down now
This song is starting to sound prophetic.
"How is it that the most unremarkable and small-minded stupidity can accomplish evils of such enormous magnitude?…" - Hannah Arendt during the trial of Adolf Eichmann.
I see Trump Jnr is keen to earn his spurs.
Some retards voted him in, don’t blame yourselves unless you were one of them.
You get what you vote for.
🤷♂️
It doesn't look good does it.
What's worrying me is the lack of incoherent tweets from Trump, it can only mean he's actually doing something which is never a good sign!
Following the meeting, IRNA – the semi-official Iranian news agency – reported a foreign ministry spokesman as saying “the people and the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran regarded the positions adopted by the British government constitute an alliance with a US terrorist act. It cannot be justified and accepted, and with such positions Britain can be a partner in this crime.”
Sigh - looks like we're getting dragged in whether we like it or not.
Net economic benefit of a war vs. a US trade deal?
Not good. Not good at all.
Just at a time when we need world leaders with some intelligence and calm heads.
Edit: looks like moves were already being made and that UK is hosting the US. I wonder if Iran's nuclear reactors and test sites will be rubble by lunchtime and a trade deal can be bought in favours?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/07/us-sends-b-52-bombers-british-territory-diego-garcia-iran-tensions/amp/
Well the ball's in Trump's court now (assuming this is the end of Iranian overt operations against US targets anyway). Hopefully he'll see it as the big opportunity to deescalate that it is and not retaliate, surely even he's not that stupid...?!
My sixteen year old boy ( who takes a keen interest in "the news") predicted some weeks ago that when the shit hit the fan between USA and Iran we would have no other option other than to be their puppet once again to have any chance of a trade deal..
Remarkably measured response from Iran or so it appears. If no US personnel harmed then the US have the opportunity to de escalate whilst saving face. I suspect there were warnings given via diplomatic channels so that key personnel could be moved.
Sad state of affairs when Iran are liking to be the more ‘grown up’ party.
Agree with V8 - looks like Iran have walked a fine line and left both sides with a chance to step back from the brink, if Trump is prepared to let it go.
Interesting yesterday seeing the US government scaling back from Trump's threat about attacking cultural targets. I'm hoping that their officials and generals have convinced him that being a wanted war criminal will put off voters in the next election
Interesting yesterday seeing the US government scaling back from Trump’s threat about attacking cultural targets. I’m hoping that their officials and generals have convinced him that being a wanted war criminal will put off voters in the next election
He is a massive **** isn't he.
I'd like to see calmer heads prevail, but I suspect
cruise missiles flying everywhere before I get off shift.
is more likely.
Maybe they'll just leave Iran alone now to.let them get on with cleaning up the mess of a Boeing 737 crash...?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51029994
As it's a Boeing, the Americans may want to send their crash investigators. Bet that request won't be well received!
Having known a few Iranians in my time I know they're not idiots. This looks increasingly like a faked retaliation - you can be sure the Iranian media are reporting gleefully to the nation that a wave of deadly missiles have been launched at bases in use by the Great Satan and conveniently not mentioning that actually they all landed harmlessly in the garden.
The meejas got er'indoors all worried. They loves a bit of internal fisticuffs it's all gone a bit...
Airliner crash seems pretty coincidental. Just seen video footage online of the plane coming down in a fireball. B737 800 safety record is impeccable, a mid air explosion points to catastrophic event after take off. If the military/govt knew there’d be cruise missiles launched from the area why the **** are they allowing commercial air traffic to arrive/depart.
The theories on twitter are always baffling.
*2 earthquakes located near Iranian Nuclear Facilities in the past 6 hours. (Something to do with HAARP?? Not even sure what that is)*
*Apparently we're also getting a CME on the 11th, messing with peoples heads and causing them to react differently and so on.*
Mates brother is boasting his gold prices have gone up and hes finally in profit, apparently this happens every time there is a war. People are getting killed and hes happy he's finally in the green. His priorities seem very displaced.
If the military/govt knew there’d be cruise missiles launched from the area why the **** are they allowing commercial air traffic to arrive/depart.
Because the chances of the two somehow meeting in flight are vanishingly small i'd imagine
Apparently we’re also getting a CME on the 11th
You can put your tin foil hats away...
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/space-weather
<b>Solar Wind / Geomagnetic Activity:</b> There is one slow CME currently between the Sun and the Earth, and whilst this is expected to pass just behind Earth in its orbit, there is the potential for it to clip the Earth either late on the 9th (day 2) or during the 10th (day 3). Otherwise, solar wind speeds are currently near background, but have the potential to become slightly elevated for a time from later on the 8th (day 1) or during the 9th (day 2). This would be due to Earth encountering the faster solar wind that originates from a coronal hole. Resultant geomagnetic activity will be Quiet with isolated Unsettled spells at first, becoming Unsettled with a chance of Active due to the arrival of either the faster solar winds, or the CME later.
Airliner crash seems pretty coincidental. Just seen video footage online of the plane coming down in a fireball
Undoubtedly shot down by twitchy and excitable republican guard on high alert for counter attacks from the Great Satan.
Sad.
@jimdubleyou - Those were taken from twitter as I said. Tin foil hat was used to cover the Turkey at Christmas.
On the one hand a 3 year old Boeing shouldnt crash, it's not a Max, but Boeing's share price must be taking a kicking
Pretty international passenger list , wonder if they were oil workers leaving Iran for safety reasons?
"82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three Britons."
Hard to imagine Iranians would do this, considering how measured their response seems to have been & who knows, Ukraine not the most stable country.
Earthquakes near Iranian nuclear facilities as well
It's tin foil hats all round
Iranian state TV said 80 “American terrorists” had been killed and US helicopters and military equipment damaged, but provided no evidence of how it obtained the information.
Difficult to take that without a pinch of salt at the moment, fits well with:
you can be sure the Iranian media are reporting gleefully to the nation that a wave of deadly missiles have been launched at bases in use by the Great Satan and conveniently not mentioning that actually they all landed harmlessly in the garden.
‘Mechanical issues’
🤔
Sauce; PPrune (thank you)
I bet Trump is loving this, been indicted and popularity is waning slightly, but there is nothing his supporters would like more than a good conflict now.
Having served in Iraq and with friends who recently cycled through iran and said it was the highlight of their tour, i really hope that it doesn't hit the fan again, although Boris no doubt with the last few years efforts, will be keen to stay in bed with Donald, if he decides to come back from sunning himself.
I'm no accident investigator, but that looks like the sort of damage you could get on a wing where the engine had let go?
Looks more like the sort of damage you get from a fragmentation warhead on an anti-aircraft missile to me. Compare with the photos from MH17. Engines failures are normally either contained or in several big bits.
@jimdubleyu Maybe; (I’m no expert either) but lots of little holes, plus the timing of the event makes it seem like the balance of probability lies firmly in the favour of a missile strike. Who and why, we’ll probably never find out, but my money is on incompetence under intense pressure.
I don't buy engine failure as the most likely explanation. The flightradar profile just ends part way through normal climb out. Even on one engine it could have cruised around and landed back at Tehran.
And Iran don't want to hand over the evidence so any proper resolution seems unlikely.
Sound like the Iranians might have something to hide:
In a sign of the potential difficulties facing crash investigators, the head of Iran's civil aviation organisation was quoted as saying the Ukrainian plane's black box would not be handed over, either to Boeing or the Americans.
From the BBC article:
It reached nearly 8,000ft (2,400m) before the aircraft's data suddenly disappears.This is unusual and would suggest some type of catastrophic incident on board the plane. We have no evidence at this stage to tell us what caused the incident.
According to a former air crash investigator, any suggestion of engine failure feels premature. This possibility can't be ruled out at this early stage but an airliner such as the Boeing 737-800 is designed to keep flying if there is an engine failure.
Plus, if there was a failure then we would normally expect the flight data to show the plane's climb becoming less steep.
Am waiting to see what Cadet Bone Spurs does with extreme interest after this report. I can see Haifa out the window.