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13 Reform UK MPs if true is a disaster imo but the one consolation for me is that the Tories will be significantly stronger than many/most polls predicted and that will blunt the toxic effect of Reform UK being in Parliament to a degree.
If the Tories are sensible they will leave the far-right territory to Reform UK and work with Labour and the LibDems to isolate them.
Although I suspect that they might well be tempted to go for the knee jerk reaction and move further to the right.
The Tories will never be able to out right-wing Nigel Farage. They have been trying to do so for years and result of that looks like 13 seats for Reform UK.
the thought of Farage sitting in parliament disgusts me.
Don't worry, it disgusts him even more. He won't show up much.
I always thought the numbers posited for the Tories were too low - my own estimate was 200 tories
Just went to fetch a bottle of sparkling and we only have Prosecco. I can't believe I was so badly organised
So does this quality as a supermajority then?
No it doesnt. Stop repeating tory propaganda.
That is only relevant in some countries legislatures which dont include ours.
A win by one is as good as a win by 200 (unless its a recent tory government in which case that one and a few more would soon have a byelection for some misconduct offence or another).
Chap on my telly says that the exit poll results actually have about 30 seats credited to the Tories are actually too close to call or within the margin of error.
I anticipated a much lower number for the Tories in the event of reform performing well. Much much lower.
Yes I think most people did. It suggests that Labour's share of the vote isn't as large as most polls predicted.
They haven't announced percentages yet have they?
How the eff did reform (all lower case on purpose) get 13 on the exit poll???
I said this earlier. It's a mistake to underestimate them. We said "this can't possibly happen" in 2016.
The Right is VERY good at appealing to the heart. Just like there was a percentage who didn't know how to vote in the referendumb but had Remain sold to them as "do nothing" and so voted Leave to reject the status quo, there will be a good number of people disengaged from anything political who saw the word "reform" and thought "well that's a good idea, it's all a bit shit so let's try something else."
Still. If they've split the Send Them Back Where They Came From voters away from the Tories I can't complain too loudly.
13 Reform UK MPs if true is a disaster imo
My thoughts too. Way too many
Don’t worry, it disgusts him even more. He won’t show up much.
Depends how good the wine selection is in the bars. With the discounts on offer he might be tempted.
Otherwise yeah I reckon once a week for PMQs to try to grandstand.
I hope that the media watches any Reform MPs like a hawk. They're bound to do something awful soon enough. It'd be good to keep an eye on their expenses I expect, such as how much they claim compared to how much they actually do.
Trying to keep up with Vines little piece currently
Gullis, Anderson, Shapps, Rees Mogg all gone
At least a 3rd of reform mps will be gone by mid term there is no way they have been checked for the ol racist comments or Nazi costume party photos..
Just enjoy the moment folks
Exit poll puts SNP as 5th largest party. Losing Short money and PMQ questions etc. A dram has been poured.
“13 Reform UK MPs if true is a disaster imo”
Just wait until they behave like UKIP MEPs always did. They’ve no interest in being MPs and serving their constituents interests. I’d put my house on all of them going AWOL now (Nadine stylee) as they think their jobs are now already done. If anyone needs them, they’ll be in the pub
Stuff it, good luck everyone staying up.
I'm going to sleep with hopefully the happy knowledge of a lot of sad tories in the morning
all i need now is to hear that iain duncan smith has been found guilty and sent to jail for the rest of his miserable life (the least he deserves).
Exit poll predictions by constituency here:
99% chance of a green win in Bristol Central
My God, it's like end of days for Tory supporters on X.
Bloody BEMOANERS just can't let it go. ?
13 Reform UK MPs if true is a disaster imo
Going to be very interesting to see how accurately the exit poll people have modelled a brand new party.
The tory party has one reason for existing – to keep power and wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy. Any party member is a part of this – the deliberate cruelty and impoverishment of the poor old and unhealthy is deliberate. they have blood on their hands. sure some have the capacity for self delusion but that does not make them decent people.
What @tjagain said. They want to look nice while hanging onto the money and screwing the poor and vulnerable.
A win by one is as good as a win by 200
AIUI, it's not possible to win by one. You need more than half to avoid a hung parliament, and there's an even number of seats. You'd have to win by two or more.
There's way way too much coverage going off.
I miss Dimbleby.
Looks like our constituency in Bassetlaw is on the cards for reform according to Sky's info.
The Right is VERY good at appealing to the heart.
Its more than that. Among the slightly disguised hate they do also offer change. Just look at Johnson and levelling up.
It goes back to benpinnick's point about what do people have to lose when their conditions are crap.
I cant really blame someone for saying sod it lets give it a go beyond the "yeah that was promised at brexit too and how is it going?" Although that said for some groups the answer is pretty well so...
Reform have nothing except Farage, and at 60 he won't still be fighting after the next election. Once he's gone they'll evaporate.
If anyone needs them, they’ll be in the pub
Pub? Farage and friends will be in the club. Dont want riffraff near you.
As for the rest I am not sure that works.
Remember their modus operandi is to blame everyone else and I think that will work just as well as a mp as it did when an mep.
Clacton gets screwed over. Its Starmer trying to destroy us and so forth.
The only way they get really damaged is when they are inescapably in charge of something say a local council.
Winners carry umbrellas
I was expecting Rayner to be warning us of Zillons from Tharg with that off on stuff.
Osborne says the reason for the early election was to catch Reform out before they were ready. That worked well!!
"Nadine… a tip… don’t pick arguments with people a million times more intelligent than you"
Aah, but they're the sneering elite that patriotic folk should kick out against.
Which is another tendril of how we ended up in this utter ****ing mess.
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Damn those polls giving me false hope of lib dems coming second
**** farage will be loving it, somehow a Labour landslide and the tories worst ever defeat feels like a letdown
Osborne says the reason for the early election was to catch Reform out before they were ready. That worked well!!
Come the Autumn the Trump circus will be in full flow… I had thought the right in general would have benefited from the inevitable flooding of social media with disinformation to support that… but the Conservatives might have felt that Farage’s latest wheeze would be the ones to be able to (and be prepared to) capitalise the most out of that.
I don’t think Reform will get into double figures in terms of seats… lots of near misses.
13 for Reform, but I look forward to see the vote share.
Do we only like FPTP when it works to minimise numbers of those we disagree with?
"Damn those polls giving me false hope of lib dems coming second"
It was always a long shot if you looked at the numbers. That said there are an awful lot of 50/50 predictions in the exit poll so let's see what happens overnight
Switched back to BBC once Dorries spoke, she’s so bloody awful. Nice that BBC showed Mr Baker his 1% chance of keeping his seat whilst in the studio! Ha!
I was looking forward to seeing the C4 coverage, but I can’t watch that hateful woman
So I’m out.
That Sky exit poll by constituency for us here in west Hull is showing a close race between Labour and Reform. Please God don't let one of Garage's oafs get in.
Gullis, Anderson, Shapps, Rees Mogg all gone
Please be true
Please be true
Please be true
Please be true
Can you please put a smirking AC face on the cat on that meme
Rees mogg not so only 50/50
One of the predicted Barnsley reform seats the candidates was actually suspended for the r racism
They still apparently elected him
