lads banter,or media lovie who wants attention,but he does seems to upset a few groups of people along the way.
Discuss........
He's an Irish Traveller. They have their views.
He's an Irish Traveller.
Born and raised in Manchester. Fights as British.
They have their views.
Yes, I imagine, they are a pretty homogenous group, all with the same views.
Il give him the K rematch where hel get panned... Then that new young fella Anthony Joshua......my God the speed and power for a big lad...
Born and raised in heysham..... Fights out of Manchester..... Heysham has a large traveller community.. Did you not see his cousins with him in the ring... Stereo type is underselling them
In an explosive ringside interview at one of his cousin Hughie’s fights he said those who had signed the petition were w**s and that his critics could “suck his bs.”
I'm not sure but he does sound a little confused, perhaps he's just looking for a nice man to hang out with....
I imagine its a mixture of banter, his religious views and "cultural" norms combined with the desire to be in the spotlight that combine to make him a non PC attention seeking troll/one of the lads/ gentle bigot as you see fit.
Personally I just see him as the next top gear host 😉
Jesus JY, he's not that bad.
Personally I just see him as the next top gear host
Lets hope for everyone's sake TG remembers to keep his meat warm.
Such a shame Klitschko was unable to rip him a new arsehole. Troll, media whore or genuine bigot - the world would be better off without him and his mouth in the limelight getting his 15 minutes of fame.
Personally I just see him as the next top gear host
Star in a reasonably priced cart.
Hopefully he'll get sparked out at the re-match.
Yeah, blokes just an arsehole to me.
If he gets anything out of spoty, it'll be a travesty.
Y'all just got sucker punch into a publicity stunt ...
So more money to him because his profile will be up now to drawn in more attention ...
Ya, y'all suckers! 😆
Can't see the problem. What happened to free speech? It isn't as if his views are all that outlandish.
Abortion for example. Last I heard abortion was against the law in Ireland in almost all circumstances. Homosexuality is considered a sin by some major religions.
I don't agree with him but he's entitled to his opinions.
"I'm not sexist. I believe a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back. That's my personal belief. Making me a good cup of tea, that's what I believe."
Thick as pigshit, misogynist, homophobe, racist and a bigot.
A mind like that belongs in the dark ages.
I don't agree with him but he's entitled to his opinions.
Quite, but by having those opinions the majority of right thinking people think he's a ****. Those people are also entitled to an opinion as you are seeing here.
What happened to free speech?
The thing about free speech is that he's free to say things and I'm free to think he's a complete ****.
HTH
He's an Irish Traveller. They have their views.
^^^^ This, ever seen "My big fat Gypsy wedding". Every thing he says is coloured by his upbringing and background. If you listen to him he says it's how he feels, not how everyone should feel. Just ignore him if he bothers you it's not difficult.
So at last Sports Personality of the Year will have a personality to vote for. Not by me though, its got to be Ms Armistead, though I reckon it'll Murray or Hamilton.
Fury's views are not so uncommon as some on STW think. It aint right what he said to me but I hear it often enough still (and worse).
I'm not sure but he does sound a little confused, perhaps he's just looking for a nice man to hang out with....
Lets hope for everyone's sake TG remembers to keep his meat warm.
well indeed
^^^^ This, ever seen "My big fat Gypsy wedding". Every thing he says is coloured by his upbringing and background. If you listen to him he says it's how he feels, not how everyone should feel. Just ignore him if he bothers you it's not difficult
Often referred to as tolerance and cultural diversity of course... though sometimes privileges like that only apply to the minority du jour.
Jeez. Did I just read that here of all places?
Being a traveller does not mean that holding those views is acceptable. I'm sure Jim Davidson and Bernard manning were bought up to have certain views, doesn't make it any less excusable than furys.
I find him a refreshing contrast to the media savvy politically correct dullness that's often out there. I also recognise some of his views will rightly be deemed unacceptable by many but a pinch of salt helps. Box office receipts will ultimately show whether his approach is profitable but I can't see Wlad beating him.
Being a traveller does not mean that holding those views is acceptable.
Acceptable to who? Either you have free speech or you don't. Are you saying the Pope's views on abortion or homosexuality are unacceptable? As far as I understand his views on some issues would be similar to Tyson Fury.
Saying a view is unacceptable is not saying he can't have it (or say it). He can expect to be called an arsehole for having some of the views he has by lots of people who are happy enough for him to speak his mind. It's quite a simple concept to understand. Hope that's clarified it for you irc.
EDIT: In fact, sometimes, I'm more then happy for arseholes to speak their minds. It makes it easier to tell who they are. As demonstrated daily on STW.
Freedom of speech isn't a right to an audience.
He can say what he likes. the rest of us can call him an obnoxious bigot who shouldn't be given the oxygen of publicity.
Very little time for him. I saw him fight in Belfast and it was like watching drunks in a pub car park. People were so bored they started rioting. Someone should tell the media boxing is dead.
Anyway, yeah he can say what he wants. I think he should definitely be allowed in SPOTY and be allowed to come last for being a prick.
I think the whole traveler thing is played up somewhat but if it is true his attitude is not surprising. In all my run ins with them I've found them to be horrible people. None of us would be effete intellectuals if we were raised in that culture.
Acceptable to who? Either you have free speech or you don't. Are you saying the Pope's views on abortion or homosexuality are unacceptable? As far as I understand his views on some issues would be similar to Tyson Fury.
Plenty agree with racism too. Is it acceptable to air those views as well? Plenty stick up for travellers when someone's having a pop, you'd think they'd know better.
I think the whole traveler thing is played up somewhat but if it is true his attitude is not surprising. In all my run ins with them I've found them to be horrible people. None of us would be effete intellectuals if we were raised in that culture.
Seen many a 'traveler' put down while gobbing off in prison, usually by some quiet, innocuous wee lad who's had enough of the shite they often spout about how 'hard' they are.
Plenty agree with racism too. Is it acceptable to air those views as well?
Yes. They'd be totally wrong and should be challenged on their views, but it is entirely acceptable to air those views.
Forgive me they are all like this fella just like all white english folk are like the EDL and all americans are like DOnald Trump I know better than refute that logic. 😕Plenty stick up for travellers when someone's having a pop, you'd think they'd know better.
Yes. They'd be totally wrong and should be challenged on their views, but it is entirely acceptable to air those views.
Imagine how some of these comments would go down now:
(not my title)
Forgive me they are all like this fella just like all white english folk are like the EDL and all americans are like DOnald Trump I know better than refute that logic.
You misunderstand, I am plying the logic that it's OK for Fury to hold these views just because he's a traveller (and apparently that's what they're like).
I have no idea what travellers are like or their beliefs, the only one I knew (fairly well) was a bit of a racist until he got a black girl pregnant. His racist brother disowned him, then he died. Actually they both died. There is no moral to that story.
He's well known around the area I live and work. Spoken to him a few times and this is the tip of the iceberg. Let's just say he's not the brightest button on the jacket. Also he's a very strange man, as are the people around him.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/father-of-boxing-champion-tyson-fury-853780
Grim.
It does not come as a [i]complete[/i] shock to me that a heavyweight boxer from a traveller family who calls himself "Tyson Fury" has some rather retro ideas about women and gay people, to be entirely honest.
I just can't believe that no one has used the word 'Pikey'!
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I just can't believe that no one has used the word 'Pikey'! [/i]
Umm....
I've heard the reports, but I haven't heard or read his actual words on the issues of Women and homosexuals.
It's quite a sad thing to stigmatize someone for being homosexual. In my opinion you might blame someone for being attracted to someone of the same sex, as much as you might blame someone for the colour of their skin. To do so is utterly ridiculous.
Then moving onto remarks regarding Women. If he thinks that servitude is all a Woman is good for then I genuinely pity him for lacking the ability to see and understand just how much more a Woman can be and indeed, people in general.
Perhaps time will enhance his views of life and his opinions about his fellow Human beings, is the best we could hope for.
[url= http://attitude.co.uk/watch-bbc-news-anchor-calls-tyson-fury-a-dkhead-live-on-air/ ]It's a knockout[/url]
Whats his position on dags?
A fellow hits another fellow's head harder than the other fellow hits his, and suddenly we turn to him for views on what sort of society we should live in?
The only surprise is that we got an answer that was in any way intelligible.
I just can't believe that no one has used the word 'Pikey'!
I'll choose to focus on the paradox of that statement, which I quite like, rather than the actual reasons, since they've been done to death many, many times before (summary: same reason other racist epithets don't get used much). That you choose to introduce the word perhaps says something about you, but otherwise, imo, adds nothing at all to the discussion.
I'm feeling a bit weird about this one - as one of the "lefty hand wringers" always up for challenging stigma on here (see my copious previous posting history on stigmatising the travelling community for instance) there's a big bit of me that's inclining towards that old "disagree with everything you say but fight to the death to defend your right to say it" cliche.
People are allowed their views, even "old-fashioned" ones and he (or whoever scripted it) gave an explanation of where he was coming from on 'homophobia' which, from the viewpoint of someone who abhors discrimation and prejudice, doesn't believe in God(s) and actively objects to much that organised religion brings to the world, nevertheless finds me reacting with something close to "fair enough, you're entitled to that view, although I vigorously disagree":
I didn’t say I hate homosexuals. Let’s make this clear. My Lord and my saviour is Jesus Christ. All he teaches is love. He didn’t come here to persecute homosexuals, myself and everybody else. Let’s not try to make me out to be an evil person, because I don’t hate anybody. Tyson Fury only has love for the world.I don’t think gay people are like paedophiles. Two adults consenting to love each other is a different matter to someone messing with a child. There’s lots of sins in this life. We’re all sinners. If you don’t believe in God and you don’t believe in the scriptures then we are on a different page.
At the end of the day, he seems to be saying, not always very well (but since when did eloquence become a prerequisite of sportspeople?), that he sincerely believes that homosexuality is sinful - a view which many in his religion agree. Others (including Christians) propose with varying degrees of vigour that this implies a duty to "do something" about it, which can vary from violent murder to not letting them stay in your B & B. Fury, however seems to stop short of this, and that is imo a crucial distinction - his recognition that (in his belief system) we are all sinners is a crucial context that people are, maybe deliberately, missing: yes he referred to paedophiles and homosexuals as sinners in the same context, but he also refers to himself as a sinner, so then he's "equating" himself with paedophiles and homosexuals then, if we're using the same logic that's calling for his removal from SPOTY etc.
By all means call him out on his views - he seems quite willing to be tackled and give his side of things, and by engaging in debate we all benefit, but "banning" him from a made up award from a telly station is silly and counter-productive.
Though I hate to say it, the one thing that really, really bothers me about Tyson Fury?
He talks about himself in the third person.
Ben Cooper would never do that.
bencooperThough I hate to say it, the one thing that really, really bothers me about Tyson Fury?
He talks about himself in the third person.
Ben Cooper would never do that.
The main thing Jimjam dislikes about Tyson Fury is that he's called "Tyson" Fury. To associate him with an actual boxer of such skill and ferocity is to piss on Iron Mike from such a great height as to be unforgivable. He should called Seamy McDonagh Stokes and that's all jimjam has to say on the matter.
