[Closed] 'Traitorous' Argentine intellectuals on the Falklands

oops.. That'll ruffle a few plumas

Change of government, same old authoritarian b*llsh*t as the generals.

Makes sean penn seem like an even bigger idiot. 😀

I just can't wait until our very own Argentine* intellectual** spots this thread.

* Citation needed.
** 😆

[i]we cannot impose citizenship or sovereignty on a population that does not want it[/i]

I believe if you have a look back in history, there's been the odd isolated case of this, when attempted, not going too well

I am all in favour of self determination, but do we not as the UK spend rather a lot of loot in keeping the Falkands supplied and defended? I think the inhabitants should negotiate with Argentina and open up cheaper supply routes.

I am all in favour of self determination,

but do we not as the UK spend rather a lot of loot in keeping the Falkands supplied and defended?

we also spend lots more money on other things such as international aid, should we stop that? Should we be providing aid to a country with a bigger space program than ours for example?

I think the inhabitants should negotiate with Argentina and open up cheaper supply routes.

would you negotiate away your right to self determination in return for cheaper eggs?

By the noises coming out of Argentina at the moment, it doesn't sound like negotiation is something they've much interest in. Macho posturing seems to be very much where its at.

What biccies for a Falklands discussion?

Slightly OT but I wonder if there's a curry house on the Falklands...

Without a UK aircraft carrier capability they could walk in tomorrow and we'd be able to do squat anyway.

Jaffa cakes I think......

And you are right Big_N_Daft, why supply aid to a country that spends a fortune on Space, or indeed Nukes, and massive amounts of weapons, while people in its streets have no water, no houses, no food.

Plenty people do not have any sort of self determination at all, its them my heart bleeds for.

derek_starship - Member
Slightly OT but I wonder if there's a curry house on the Falklands...

There isn't, well, there wasn't last time I was down there..although The Globe did do a curry night on a Thursday.

There is a Burger waggon tho'..

The slop jockies back up at MPA do try and make a ruby, but its' never that good..

Unless the RIC are Gurkhas.

 

you dont see a moral dimension to this? Is it reasonable for a foreign power to impose trade sanctions on another country just to further its own political objectives?

War or trade is just the continuation of policy (politics) by other means. Nod to Karl von Clausewitz whom I have badly misquoted 😉

Gunz - Member

Without a UK aircraft carrier capability they could walk in tomorrow and we'd be able to do squat anyway.

What, with their non-existent amphibious capability and the same Skyhawks they had last time?

You better inform the Governor so he can prepare to surrender the islands.

Isn't there now an airbase on the Falklands with a load of Typhoons stationed there? That sort of negates the aircraft carrier argument

Without a UK aircraft carrier capability they could walk in tomorrow and we'd be able to do squat anyway.

We've done this one several times - there are now a load of combat aircraft stationed there with far greater capability than anything we've ever flown off carriers. 🙄

I believe the official conspiracy theory is that a civilian jumbo painted in the colours of the Chilean national airline will fake an emergency landing (in spite of the fact that there are no unscheduled flights that go anywhere near the islands and it would be easy to check with the Chileans whether it was one of theirs). Then quite inexplicably, said jumbo will be permitted to land. The moment it lands Argentine 'special forces' (no combat experience ever) will leap out and seize the base. Obviously, the RIC will all be hillwalking or counting penguins at the time and the RAF Regiment wouldn't be the least bit curious about what was going on. Then everyone files out onto the runway, lines up and surrenders.

Simple.

aracer - Member
What biccies for a Falklands discussion?

Garibaldi of course 🙂

Pawsy_Bear - Member

you dont see a moral dimension to this? Is it reasonable for a foreign power to impose trade sanctions on another country just to further its own political objectives?

Is it? we do it often enough.

The whole Malvinas issue is a typical example of Latin American populism in action. Focus on something the people resent bitterly and blow it up to win votes.

IF Britain is ever forced to abandon the islands, perhaps we should pursue the same scorched earth policy that Portugal did when they left their African colonies; they dredged up and destroyed the shellfish, ripped out the telephone system and burned all the country's archives. Perhaps a little Anthrax testing on the islands?

Hilldodger - voted for the best current and future contribution to this thread!

Gunz - Member
Without a UK aircraft carrier capability they could walk in tomorrow and we'd be able to do squat anyway.

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As well as the combat aircraft mentioned, has anybody seen any submarines lately?

has anybody seen any submarines lately?

No - that's the whole point!

Its behiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind yooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

hilldodger (Garibaldi of course)genius 😉

Don't discount the Argentine subs...

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Don't discount the Argentine subs...

Are those the ones the internet stops you seeing?

yaaaaaaawn is this still rumbling on

stop dignify emtpy argentinian electioneering rhetotic with intellectual stw debate

once its clear theres no oil down there everyone will drop their claims to them anyway

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stop dignify emtpy argentinian electioneering rhetotic with intellectual stw debate

Good point. If we stop arguing about it, they'll probably stop their sabre rattling.

kimbers - Member
yaaaaaaawn is this still rumbling on

stop dignify emtpy argentinian electioneering rhetotic with intellectual stw debate

once its clear theres no oil down there everyone will drop their claims to them anyway

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OOOOOO....Check her!

stop dignify emtpy argentinian electioneering rhetotic with intellectual stw debate

'intellectual' STW debate is the very highest accolade, and should only be reserved for the most deserving of rhetoric. 🙂

you dont see a moral dimension to this? Is it reasonable for a foreign power to impose trade sanctions on another country just to further its own political objectives?

lol, like anyone would ever do that? Mental.

so there is divided opinion on this issue in Argentina like there is divided opinion here.
who would have thought this amazing revelation could be true till now.
Sterling work there

What next?Reseach proves not everyone in america believes in God?
Some people like the theatre some dont.

The rest is the usual stw "one sided polemic banter" that we have done on at least a couple of other threads.
I am not holding out for any new information or anyone changing their mind

*waves to junkyard*

so there is divided opinion on this issue in Argentina like there is divided opinion here.

Fortunately we still have the Tower of London in which to bang up our traitors. Remind me which UK intellectuals have written a paper supporting the Argentinian position who should be in there?

*waves to junkyard*

Your ears must have been burning

I am not holding out for ... anyone changing their mind

appreciates wave

Fortunately we still have the Tower of London in which to bang up our traitors. Remind me which UK intellectuals have written a paper supporting the Argentinian position who should be in there?

Isn't the tower already filled with the drugs experts whos expert advice wasn't on message enough for the government.

Remind me which UK intellectuals have written a paper supporting the Argentinian position who should be in there?

The point, which is beyond debate, is that not everyone in either country agrees.
As they call journalists intelectuals..I am sure we can just accept that we could easily find a journalist to support either view without bothering to waste our time googling.

As they call journalists intelectuals

Well that of course depends on your source - more reliable ones than the Guardian mention it's a group of "Argentina's leading intellectuals, historians, journalists, constitutional experts and politicians" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9098633/Cristina-Kirchner-told-to-leave-Falkland-Islanders-alone-by-Argentinas-intellectuals.html . Fancy finding any of the rest of that list in the UK supporting Argentina's position?

Isn't it interesting to see who holds anti-establishment viewpoints in each country? Or are you making a case for not bothering discussing anything because you can find somebody with a different opinion about anything?

Isn't there now an airbase on the Falklands with a load of Typhoons stationed there? That sort of negates the aircraft carrier argument

If you call four (allowing a ripple of two) 'a load' then yes.

If you call four (allowing a ripple of two) 'a load' then yes.

How many A-A missiles does each one carry?