[Closed] Tottenham Riots

I have many [b]coloured[/b] friends

Are you Michael J Fox? have you come from the 1970s?

Anyway...

I had a nice swim earlier, and no Binners, I din't need any armbands. How incredibly rude to suggest that I would. 😥

unreal. anyone who believes there is, in any way, justification for this rioting, are severalty deluded. ffs.

Lazy no good thieving Basxards you see in and around
the streets every day in London and thats a Fact

This may be true... but why are they like this? What causes this? Why weren't they doing it 5 years ago?

All important questions that might just make for a discussion...

Elfinsafety - Member
I have many coloured friends
Are you Michael J Fox? have you come from the 1970s?

Tttt**** 😳

Highest rates of youth unemployment are in the Welsh Valleys

Don't see them kicking off do we?

20.56 Victoria Ward in Peckham writes:

Just watching a group of teenagers ransack Iceland in Peckham. They're running in and out with armfuls of food and drink. Not a policeman in sight. Someone on the street is yelling "make sure you get Frebreeze".

😯

Zulu-Eleven - Member
Highest rates of youth unemployment are in the Welsh Valleys

Don't see them kicking off do we?

True regarding unemployment But they seem to fight each other from different villages

True regarding unemployment But they seem to fight each other from different villages

neilforrow - Member

unreal. anyone who believes there is, in any way, justification for this rioting, are severalty deluded. ffs.

I don't think anyone has said its justified. However here are reasons why its happening. riots do not just happen - it needs the conditions to be right and thats what needs to be addressed. Read Scarman

Highest rates of youth unemployment are in the Welsh Valleys

....not many sheep in London though 😉

i wish these were youth's worried about their future & place in society, but i doubt it, just scum out to cause trouble for the fun of it...

scum bags

The real tragedy here is that race relations between blacks and whites has just been put back another 20 years. It will be even harder for young black men to get jobs.

just spoke to my mate whos a di in warrington
he said that he attended a meeting including met police warning of dissorder this summer due to a lack of summer jobs available and the closing of youth facilities etc

Zulu-Eleven - Member

Hora - don't you realise?

Heavy handed policing causes riots

Well, yes they do. Just not these ones. What's your point caller?

atlaz - Member

Kimbers - it's not an excuse. Our youth club was closed when I was a kid (I'm from Hull so I think it counted as an urban area with significant deprivation and unemployment in the 80s). Nobody rioted as a result of it

Try and distinguish between "excuses" and "contributory factors".

he said that he attended a meeting including met police warning of dissorder this summer due to a lack of summer jobs available and the closing of youth facilities etc

fighting between villages has always happened. Gloucestershire, has Dog Pie, and bear and the FoD, as examples of inter community rivalry.

exactly im not condoning or excusing anyone

Just watching 'Watchmen'. They need to be deployed in London tonight...

I feel very sad for the one man band and small business that may not ever open again
in fact may be in debt for a very long time after this..

COBRA meeting called! What do you think the out come of that will be?

Looting in Peckham too.

Apparently they've taken half-price cracked ice, miles & miles of carpet tiles, TVs, deep freeze, David Bowie LPs...

OMG Cameron has had to cut his holiday short 😯

Kerry Katona has been spotted heading to Iceland with a housebrick and a wheelbarrow...

TJ - I dont think I need educating into social inequalities. I feel I have a fairly rounded view, and appreciate the conditions that presented themselves in the 1980's. The Scarman report is a valuable document, and yes I have read a fair chunk of it... however people have a simple choice between right and wrong.

it has been implied on this thread that the actions of the people out there tonight have been, in someway, spurred on by discontent, deep seated issues in the fabric of society, and that roiting (like that in the 1980's) will spark change in society for the good. That viewpoint, imo is misplaced.

Kerry Katona has been spotted heading to Iceland with a housebrick and a Transit Pickup...

FTFY

however people have a simple choice between right and wrong.

But it seems that morality is much more strictly enforced through the rule of law on the bottom of society than those at the top, so the choice is easier for some than others.

I have to say I felt the Tottenham MP fella coming out saying the riots were a disgrace was definitely a plus and hopefully more like minded community leaders will do similar.

As an interjection, Bill Cosby's social commentary is interesting I find... [url=

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FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT- I am not suggesting race is at the root of it- what BIll says could equally be said of white trash /neds / losers of whatever background. 😯

If they are blaiming twitter and facebook why can't they just shut them down until 48 hours after the riots finish?

Simple question, who are these "community leaders"

why should they be listened to? who do they represent?

All too often you have self selection going on, groups who appoint themselves claiming to serve a community when all they do is serve a small section of the community.

why don't they turn off the mobile network?
leave just the police on the network for now and turn off civi network would stop passing of info

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why don't they turn off the mobile network?
leave just the police on the network for now and turn off civi network would stop passing of info

No. no matter how f***ed up some tards make things, thats not the answer. One small step to:

Vodafone Group PLC and France Télécom SA, facing heat for complying with the Egyptian government's order to pull the plug on their networks last week, said Thursday that Egypt's government forced its way onto their mobile networks to send text messages directly to the country's people.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104576122044234987416.html#ixzz1UTSFCiFL

And we as a nation are better than that. Better then Syria.

Get water canons and tear gas in I say ! Then follow the home to mummy and daddys house and kill the lot of them 🙂

Gotta agree with Houns' post of a couple of pages back. Unfortunately it was overlooked as it seemed to contain common sense.

RIM will be assisting the police with inquiries into Blackberry Messenger posts apparently.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/08/blackberry_riots/

CAn't do that FunkyDunc against their human rights I'm afraid!

Bloody helicopters giving me a headache.

FunkyDunc - Member

Then follow the home to mummy and daddys house and kill the lot of them

Munqe-chick - Member

CAn't do that FunkyDunc against their human rights I'm afraid!

😐

Just been out to pick up my Daughter and 9 police vans with the blues and twos
going to Galleon's Reach shopping centre in Beckton.

Also heard MC Donalds at Canningtown been recked and also
EastHam high street shops Argos and Primark have been targeted
amongst other shops in the high street.

We don't have any water cannons in England Wales or Scotland. The only ones we have readily available are in NI.

CS is the answer.

a lot of what is going on is based on the impression they can get away with it

the police have their own issues in the basics of policing these incidents
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/45255-gmp-governor-fails-shield-run-so-takes-force-to-tribunal/

also not helped by it being the new spectator sport

If Diane Abbott hardly the darling of the establishment is saying it's just criminality and not picking up all the interviewers offers of the usual suspects for "excuses" then I think their is something in it

there needs to a modern version of this

"Our sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God save the King."

if you don't go home, you get pulled in and the justice cycle starts whether you are a rioter or just someone getting in the way

failing to police effectively leads to an impression that you can go anywhere and loot with impunity, all societies have rules and accepted behaviors, failure to police them destroys the society

as for the detailed root cause analysis and the potential solutions that needs people who are brighter than "two short thick planks" to look at it with an open mind. The solutions are probably harder than ever as the jobs market has forever changed due to the open labour market within the EU.

mrmo - Member

Simple question, who are these "community leaders"

why should they be listened to? who do they represent?

Err, People like mr Lammy, MP for tottenham perhaps? [img] [/img]
presumably elected by the locals?

The late evening suggestions are entertaining.

We don't have any water cannons in England Wales or Scotland. The only ones we have readily available are in NI.

CS is the answer.

4x1 they are looting on the Purley Way, CS gas would be useless - they are simply moving to where there's no police.

The water cannon issue is a human rights thing you know

Apparently the water has to be warm in case folks get a chill when hit by cold water...................