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NEW: Keir Starmer has said he hangs the English flag in his home and 'always sits front of a Union Jack'
He told the BBC: 'I'm very encouraging of flags. I think they're patriotic and a great symbol of our nation.'
https://bsky.app/profile/scotnational.bsky.social/post/3lxrpyzxidz25
Normal behaviour.
So Starmer is also a racist bigot?
I see no reason to respect a flag put up by racist scum.
Farages knuckle dragging bigots can do one.
FFS when will he learn that you cannot out flag shag a bunch of rabid flagshaggers
He should be calling them out not pandering to them
FFS when will he learn that you cannot out flag shag a bunch of rabid flagshaggers
Totally agree. Starmer's statement is so unbelievably cringe and no-one is going to buy it (apart from that one guy on here that is convinced Starmer is a literal football hooligan).
Not a nice thing to see.. So starmer is now just a populist, running scared of reform racists just like Cameron was when he called the brexit referendum.
Pathetic.
FML. I generally sit in front of a pile of shit on my desk. VOTE FOR ME.
Starmer's statement is so unbelievably cringe
Tsk tsk PCA - thats not very good English grammer is it? Are you sure you are properly British?
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To be honest I would rather keep the migrants and send Farage and his cronies somewhere overseas Ruanda?
Starmer has always been a right wing populist moron, it was clear years ago how similar he was to Boris. No ideas, no ideology and no morality. McSweeney was the muppet master with the plan to get into power, and Starmer the gormless muppet, neither ever had a plan to actually improve the country, the donors decide policy and it has been nothing but continued tory austerity and using racism as the excuse for failure.
Not a nice thing to see.. So starmer is now just a populist, running scared of reform racists just like Cameron was when he called the brexit referendum.
Pathetic.
I had high hopes last year. But he's a political featherweight with no political nous whatsoever. He's only trick was being 'not Corbyn' and then 'not the tories'. I was hoping he was hiding some latent socialism and grownup politics for fear of being taken down by the RW gutter press before the election.
I now realise my mistake. I'll vote Libdem or Green from now on. What's the point in voting for Labour if they're just another bunch running scared of racists?
The same bloody thing happened with the Brexit vote. Unless lefties and/or moderates start to make some real noise, the loud minority will win.
Assumes that anti-immigration policies have only minority support. All across Europe, that's not the case
I see what you mean there - problem is the whole thing gets muddied and confused.
First of all, there is a racist undertone wherever you go. This adds to 'anti-immigration' support, but it's not inherently about immigration as such. It doesn't matter if someone is 5th generation - if they're a different colour, or were given an exotic name (not their choice I'd like to add), they are potentially lumped into the same vote.
Then you have people who are against asylum seekers. A different conversation, but again, they're not immigrants. If you've spoken to a genuine asylum seeker who's been given refuge by a local authority, it's not all roses. They'd much rather be back home. They'd rather work/provide for their family, but often they cannot (this could be due to skills, a language barrier, or even their legal status in the early stages). Again, they'll potentially be lumped into the same vote.
Then you have someone who's not long been given a legal visa to study and/or work in the UK... not all are permanent immigrants (or even temporary immigrants). Students may go back after completing their studies. Workers may go back after finishing their contract. But again, they'll be lumped into the same vote.
And, there are lots of r*tards out there who can't/won't distinguish between what an immigrant is, what an asylum seeker is... or even what countries are in Europe! I recall a conversation with someone who voted for Brexit because of Syrian refugees... I had to point out that Syria wasn't in the EU. 😂
So looking at those polls - do we really understand the root?
Any nation who currently needs migrants could have planned ahead to encourage an increase in birth rates a LONG time ago. Reduced fertility and an ageing population is not a sudden phenomenon.
As for asylum seekers - we see many from countries afar that have been affected by the West's foreign policy to a degree. Of course, not all are genuine - that's part of the problem, but how can anyone claim to be able to distinguish one from another, whilst firing missiles at their hotel windows? And why are they being put in Hotels? Asylum seeking is not a new phenomenon. Has appropriate planning taken place?
None of us want to see the St George's Cross turn into a Burberry cap. Our latest crop of thugs may not wear shell suits, however that culture (and reasons for its existence) hasn't changed. Again, this could have been tackled more effectively.
In addition to the recent protests - we have seen very aggressive anti-vax, climate and pro-Palestine 'protestors'. It wouldn't surprise me if it's the same lot who have caused damage in all four cases. Some people are just pissed off, and need any excuse to riot.
That photo of Starmer with the little flags, someone please tell me it's AI generated or photoshopped. It's not even union flags which as prime minister of the UK would be acceptable.
English patriots:
I was happy our village didn't have any but that changed on Saturday night 🙁
Wonder why they put them up under the cover of darkness?
Turns out a major instigator of the flag placement in Salford area was convicted of people smuggling, this is Starmers Britain, he’s fuelling these racist pricks
https://manchestermill.co.uk/twamley-talks-a-voicemail-address-from-manchesters-chief-flag-raiser/
That photo of Starmer with the little flags, someone please tell me it's AI generated or photoshopped
Best I can tell it's not Ai.
It's from the National.scot
Obviously these days who ultimately knows but this is pure Starmer behaviour irrespective.
No one should be that surprised. There is a pattern with him - he simply follows the right noises set by his team-mates.
Let's remember the whole flag thing as a showcase has been happening for a while with our leader.
I'm wondering if that photo is out of context, maybe taken during the womens world cup final?
I'm struggling to find it on the Beeb website.
The Prime Minister has said he is “very encouraging” of people flying national flags, but said they can be devalued when flown “purely for divisive purposes”.
“I’m very encouraging of flags. I think they’re patriotic and I think they’re a great symbol of our nation.
“I don’t think they should be devalued and belittled. I think sometimes when they’re used purely for divisive purposes, actually it devalues the flag.
“I don’t want to see that. I’m proud of our flag.”
Sitting on the fence? sure... but I suspect 'scotnational' may be using a big dollop of 'artistic license' to 'paint a picture', there, unless anyone knows different?
Bloody typical tabloids... the press has just as much to answer for putting out distorted crap like that.
I am taking a pair of cable cutters out with me and removing any offending flags I come across, which I don't have to climb to.reach.
The will be excellent for cleaning my bike and cleaning up the tortoises poo paintings
Suggest you write "hi flag****s" across the middle and put them back up
(sorry RM but IMO it's more important to disrespect the process than respect a flag put up for no good reason)
I hope your insurance covers broken glass and fire.
How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie comes to mind. Even you win an argument people resent losing so you've lost.
I am taking a pair of cable cutters out with me and removing any offending flags I come across, which I don't have to climb to.reach.
The will be excellent for cleaning my bike and cleaning up the tortoises poo paintings
Suggest you write "hi flag****s" across the middle and put them back up
(sorry RM but IMO it's more important to disrespect the process than respect a flag put up for no good reason)
The idea that we should automatically show respect for the flag/any flag is comical, treat them like the litter they are
There’s a huge danger in making the easy stereotype of it being “scrotes”, “toothless Stella swiggers” and people living in “certain areas” that are responsible for the flags and the rise in Nationalism. These are the visible signs, in some cases people seeking a bit of excitement in their lives and jumping on the bandwagon started by moneyed people who are standing back and patting themselves on their backs at the discord they’ve sown.
The views that some of these “flag shaggers” hold (not my words) are echoed more privately up and down the country. I’ve had recent conversations with acquaintances (not friends) and I’ve been shocked at some of their views on “the boats”, sometimes it’s hard to argue as the views don’t have any facts behind them just what’s been on Facebook. I recently had a discussion at the tills at Go Outdoors with a couple of men and the cashier, it was difficult but the time to stand by and ignore it has long gone.
Unfortunately the country needs leadership, explaining why people want to come here, why their lives are so bad that they’ve left their families behind and risked their lives travelling thousands of miles. It needs an explanation of basic human responsibilities and the perceived British values of decency, rooting for the underdog, fairness and kindness.
So how are we going to counter all these nasty situations?
I am determined to speak out and engage when I hear these horrible views and I am writing to my MP again to remind her that we don’t all hold racist inhumane opinions.
Unfortunately just dismissing people as thick, stupid, jobless idiots reinforces their opinions, a bit like Millwall and Leeds supporters who are proud that “nobody likes them”.
I was refering to the palestinian flag, Scraredypants but was slow to post as I tried (and failed) to find the exact Carnegie quote.
I'm wondering if that photo is out of context, maybe taken during the womens world cup final?
perhaps - the National Scot is you need to remember set up to appeal to the Scots nationalists so anything that paints Starmer as a little englander is grist to their mill. However its not going to be making stuff up - its a decent quality source - just one like most others with a bias
I'm wondering if that photo is out of context, maybe taken during the womens world cup final?
perhaps - the National Scot is you need to remember set up to appeal to the Scots nationalists so anything that paints Starmer as a little englander is grist to their mill. However its not going to be making stuff up - its a decent quality source - just one like most others with a bias
That's my suspicion... my opinions of starmer aside, I'm really struggling see him doing a photo op like that in response to the weekends activities from the far right. 🤣
Thats the propblem with a lot of the press of all 'colours' in this country - they just put out inflamatory BS to stir up division when they should just be reporting the news.
Starmer's statement is so unbelievably cringe
Tsk tsk PCA - thats not very good English grammer is it? Are you sure you are properly British?
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The answers to your questions are "yes" and "no".
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/cringe
Google image search shows that photo as being from a Telegraph article on 23 April about St George’s day. Edit: ‘that’ photo meaning the Starmer one above.
Tsk Tsk - even dictionary standards are getting lower. Cringe is not an adjective. 🙂
I am away to shout at clouds now
Google image search shows that photo as being from a Telegraph article on 23 April about St George’s day. Edit: ‘that’ photo meaning the Starmer one above.
Thanks, context is everything, I don't have a very high opinion of Starmer but didn't want to believe that the pic and quotes were in the current context. Now I don't have to. I hope he does a picture with leeks and dragons for St david's day, wears a kilt for St Andrew's and waves a white flag on St Patrick's day.
Any nation who currently needs migrants could have planned ahead to encourage an increase in birth rates a LONG time ago.
Why? That all suggests that someone born here is preferable to someone who was not. Why?
I don't give a shit about offending mouthy ****wits. By piping up (or flagging up) they're exposing themselves to ridicule.
Google image search shows that photo as being from a Telegraph article on 23 April about St George’s day.
Yes, it was a St. George's Day reception. His speech was actually about reclaiming our flag, so it's a shame that the message is being diluted.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YbC66EUqNbI
So looking at those polls - do we really understand the root?
The European post-war drive to encourage immigration (largely from former colonies) to assist the rebuilding of both fabric and economy were from countries that shared almost nothing in common linguistically, culturally, and religiously. Nearly every European country, regardless of how it chose to pursue multi-culturalism [or not] has largely failed a) culturally because of a lack of shared national identity and b) politically through allowing parallel communities to emerge and not demanding that immigrants do more to integrate. From the The Netherlands and the UK just sort of assuming that via osmosis communities will integrate, the French just declaring everyone is French, the Germans telling workers that they can come and work, but they can't be German has produced exactly the same result; very popular, very right wing, very anti immigration political parties that are challenging for positions of power. I don't think any Govt in my lifetime has done anything like enough to tackle racism in any meaningful way, the death of socially cohesive communities who've had industries ripped away has seen little re-investment, and declining economic power does nothing to help.
But also the lack of political leaders to do anything meaningful to promote integration -lest they be seen themselves as flag-shaggers or racist, has opened up a window of opportunity for anti-immigration populism, that no intervention now is going to close. Blaming any current mainstream politician for not doing enough now is pointless, its too late; they're not going to be able to course correct 80 years of dismal [lack of meaningful] policies in one or two terms.
I reckon that more and more mainstream parties will adopt more and more anti-immigration policies because its what more and more people in this country want.
St Georges day or not - its still flagshagging
was this a joke or are you saying you think that displaying the national flag in the national building of government on the national day is flag shagging?
Yes. Its the over use - one flag not enough? Sit at a desk with a dozen flags. Its flagshagging for sure.
Its a relatively new phenomenon that one flag is not enough - you have to be surrounded by them and his words just compound it
What happened to a modest display ? You know - the british way. Modest and understated
https://bsky.app/profile/hooved-mammal.bsky.social/post/3lxtm3hcffk2a
Yvette Cooper loving up the flags.
Absolute nasty piece of work this one.
https://bsky.app/profile/theguardian.com/post/3lxs4bg6faz2i
Flags would be absolutely fine if the country was doing well. But there's nothing to celebrate.
What happened to a modest display ? You know - the british way. Modest and understated
I was in the cubs in the 80s, there was nothing modest about St George’s Day celebrations and parades. It’s all much more toned down these days… probably as a result of the rise in St George flag use for intimidation rather than celebration since then.
You can see why Labour have tried so hard to “reclaim” both the Union and St George flags (and that’s not a new thing), but it doesn’t look to be working this time (arguable it did to a certain extent in the early years of the Blair/Brown governments).
I reckon that more and more mainstream parties will adopt more and more anti-immigration policies because its what more and more people in this country want.
It's a key part to dumbing down the country - the past few years have seen them start to make it harder for overseas students to study at Universities. This is costing the higher education sector (foreign students don't have fees capped so are a nice money makes for unis), as due to underfunding by the govt combined with static tuition fees we will see more unis go in adminsitration & completely disappear.
