TJ, are you still upset ........
TJ doesn't sound in the least bit upset ............ where do you get that from Lanesra ? 😕
That is all - MemberAnd "dirty thieving gypos" on this thread is indisputably racist.
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"The automatic tagging of someone as a racist bigot ...... is one of the most tiresome and offensive things on here"
Well that's a relief ......... I go out of my way to be offensive to racists
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"As with most things in life, the truth is generally somewhere in the middle ie both sides have valid points of view"
OK, let's work this one out......
Racists claim that Gypsies are sub-human. Non racists claim that Gypsies are human beings like everyone else.
So where does the truth lie ? Gypsies are a bit sub-human ?
Well said
Get your facts right.
You're having a laugh - right ?
TJ doesn't sound in the least bit upset ............ where do you get that from Lanesra ?
Just a general vibe I get.
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I am glad we agree he was rotund. I believe he was 'actually' a fine member of the community and I think he was mainly concerned that the thieving, (and he was a self confessed thief). Was getting to big and giving the good thieves a bad name LOL!
Im more than happy to admit that im a racist when it comes to gypos! I cant even stand the site of gypo campsites let alone the fly-tipping, drug dealing / growing, car thefts, cash machine thefts. Theres always something illegal going on but somehow the law is powerless to do anything about it. As hugh_b said weve had more than our share of problems with them in our area.
Lanesra - Member
Well said hugh_b, though be prepared to be branded a racist by TJ and coAnd how is it you singlehandedly manage to turn an innocent thread into a slanging match accusing everyone of being a racist
Ok - you got me to bite
Point out where I accused anyone of being racist? Apart from you who has pervious in this area. I even left your name off the racist quote. I have not accused anyone else of being racist.
You clearly started this thread to get this reaction. You have previous as a racist bigot. You are now trolling like mad to get the reaction you want to reinforce your nasty little prejudices.
Awa' an' bile yer heid racist bigot.
I can see both points of view and obviously the way something is worded has a massive effect on the response.
From a first hand experience i have seen religious/traditional gypsies who mind their own business and abide by the law like the rest of us. However in the Uk we have thousands of Irish "travelers" who unfortunately hide behind the religious excuse/appearance when in actual fact they are not the slightest bit interested in the traditions or religion.
Very recently gypsies moved in very close to us for a "religious festival". No doubt the main group were religious and were keeping themselves to themselves causing no trouble. The Irish traveler Kids were roaming around causing no end of trouble...stones at windows, stealing anything they could from residents...especially bikes, abusive to anyone they saw, carrying weapons in an attempt to intimidate people, fouling in the bushes, rubbish everywhere and the one that really got my blood boiling...attempting to steal next doors dog!
When my view on them is questioned i ask how you would feel if your bike/tools etc were stolen from you, for most on this forum cycling is a major part in their lives. I have been a victim of this, as has my family, hence my opinion of them.
Theres always something illegal going on but somehow the law is powerless to do anything about it.
LOL ! Yeah ...... it's all them pro-gypsy coppers - innit ?
And [i]if they do get arrested[/i], then all them public school educated Romani judges let them off scot free !
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LOL ! ....... oh dear God .... I [b]do[/b] love these threads ......... thanks Lanesra ! 😀
You can say what you want Hugh, they are Irish and therefor fare game.
Bloody hell TJ, take a chill pill - I started the thread as it looked a decent documentary which claimed to go to the heart of the problem (which it never did imo)
I know you get all wound up when no one conforms to your utopian views of the world but, it is entirley possible for people to hold views opposite to yours without them being racist/right wing/thatcherite etc etc etc..
Even the Don at the end of the documentary admitted they were rightfully viewed the way they were
Hugh - I ain't labelling you racist. You have clearly talked about your specific experiences and not said that your experiences means all gipsies are bad.
Its a difference thats too subtle for lanesra to grasp.
Yeah right Lanesra.
I was just trying to be "politically correct", to be honest i don't like the idea of any of them living close to me. I'm not bothered about saying that, in both mine and stu-pid's experience they have ruined a perfectly nice area and have caused no end of trouble.
I was merely trying to point out other people's side of the argument. The Irish don't stand for any bad behavior etc in their country, hence why they are moving over here!
Tandem Jeremy-I understand your not calling me a racist, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion and i respect that. As you say i was just pointing out the evidence my personal views have been based on.
In my first post I was just stating that the racism card is thrown at us so much now days it really frustrates me.
the Irish don't stand for any bad behavior etc in their country
'Tis a crime free country, Ireland is.
seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread over the groups that are known as gypsies. quite a distinction between romani and irish travellers.
It's not worth typing any more..
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thomthumbseems to be a lot of confusion in this thread over the groups that are known as gypsies. quite a distinction between romani and irish travellers.
To you maybe.
Well i've said what i think, i have been a victim as have friends hence my opinions.
Gypsy has several different and overlapping meanings under English Law. Under the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 Gypsies are defined as "persons of nomadic habit of life, [b]whatever their race or origin[/b], but does not include members of an organised group of travelling showmen, or persons engaged in travelling circuses, travelling together as such.", this definition includes such groups as New Age Travellers, as well as Irish Travellers and Romany. Not being pro gypsies is not a race issue it's an issue with how people live there lives and the effects that that has on you, as hugh_b has pointed out. Moving into areas flouting planning laws, thieving, creating tips on the country side, paying no taxes and intimidation are not a great ways to go about getting public opinion on there side.
2 pages of moral issues and no one's called anyone else a 'nobhead' yet. There's progress for you! 😀
julianwilson you're a nobhead! (no particular reason mate, just wanted to get it out there) 😛
The Irish don't stand for any bad behavior etc in their country
As were many things in Ireland, the inhumane treatment of travellers/gypsies/tinkers/itinerants (whatever you want to call them) has been well hidden. But then we heard about the benefits system in your country, and all your loose Church of England women, so we piled 'em all over here. I however, came to work, pay taxes and be a paid up member of society (and enjoy your women too, hehe) unlike my itinerant brethren who hopefully are causing untold misery to Arsenal and anyone like him.
[i]No question that is racist. [/i]
Fair point TJ, that was a pretty disgusting thing to say. However there are plenty other more moderate views expressed on here that are all to often automatically shot down as being bigoted.
For example, I personally don't know much about the continental Roma, but I do know, from experience, that a lot of what are known as gypsies in this country are not nice people. They leave litter and filth wherever they camp, and can be very aggressive.
I'm not saying they are all like that, but a substantial portion are.
[i]Well that's a relief ......... I go out of my way to be offensive to racists [/i]
Fair enough, if they genuinely are. However most are just expressing an opinion. The problem is that any opinion that isn't regarded as PC is automatically shot down as being racist and bigoted.
[i]OK, let's work this one out......
Racists claim that Gypsies are sub-human. Non racists claim that Gypsies are human beings like everyone else.
So where does the truth lie ? Gypsies are a bit sub-human
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Of course they are human. Your argument is wrong on so many levels. There are billions of human beings, most good, quite a few not so. Most racists don't actually claim gypsies are sub-human. And a lot of non-racists wouldn't be happy if a load of gypsies camped at the bottom of their street. That's what I mean about there always being a bit of validity to the both sides of just about any argument.
....can be very aggressive
I can't imagine why. Everyone loves gypsies, and they are never the victim of prejudice.
The Irish put up with too much bad behaviour from the travelling community - first hand experience
deadly? You work and pay taxes both at the same time?!! 😆
[i]I can't imagine why[/i]
Take a wander through one of their "camps" and ask how many of their cars are taxed or insured and I suspect you'll find out what "aggressive" means.
As i said my opinions were based on my experience and i tried to write it in a way that i wouldn't get grilled 😆
I don't normally comment on these sort of topics as i visit STW because of my love for cycling and enjoy discussing the sport etc with others, not to mention the handy classifieds section! I commented because of recent events that affected many people where i live, myself included.
If i offended anyone with "The Irish don't stand for any bad behavior etc in their country, hence why they are moving over here!" then i do apologize as it was meant in a harmless way and not meant to stereotype irish people.
Anyway, i don't think i'll bother again...it gets way to deep! 😆
jeez , right im off to watch snatch.
Take a wander through one of their "camps" and ask how many of their cars are taxed or insured and I suspect you'll find out what "aggressive" means.
You do that, do you ?
And you can't understand why they tell you to **** off ?
No, me too ........ beats me 😕 What unsociable buggers eh ? 😯
kennyp
Leave 'em alone! Last time I wandered into a Irish Traveller Site - paid for by my taxes the police refused to escort me and the little darlings used catapults to show their offence at being asked such a question - the police hid at this point.
I think the lot of you don't understand travellers. They want to be free to roam and do as they please. Nothing wrong with that. I too wish to be free from tax, insurance or the norms of society. Why not?
Slapper - you should have called the army in......best soldier in the World, the British soldier is.
If they can spank al-Qaida and the Taliban, then you can be sure as hell that they can handle a few kids with catapults 8)
[i]You do that, do you ?
And you can't understand why they tell you to **** off ?
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Course I wouldn't do it, at least not without a police escort. However if someone wants to ask me if my car is insured and taxed then they are welcome to.
And the last time I went camping I didn't leave the site looking like a rubbish tip. And I didn't commit any crimes in the local area.
That's why a lot of decent folk want them to (in your words) "**** off" when they turn up nearby.
That is all - the Brits were present at the time....
I agree with you kennyp. You sound as if you have also witnessed what happens when these kind of people descend on the area in which you live.
Everyone single one i have witnessed does as they like, if anyone challenges/opposes them they are instantly tagged as racist. The police themselves referred to them as Ferrule.
As i said earlier i could go on for hours about everything that has happened in our area.
I just get frustrated really but i'm only young and as you can imagine have better things to think about 😆
It;s one of those arguments that will never been concluded!
EDIT: double post 😳
For Pete's sake lads leave them alone. What is wrong with you people. Live and let live and all that. Nothing wrong with people making their own way in this world. Even if a few people get badly hurt on the way, taxes go unpaid and a lot of people suffer, what odds?
Nobody is gonna stop them.
I saw it where I used to live over on the west coast. There are decent travellers, mainly in the north-east, but sad to say that my experience of them has generally been pretty poor.
I hate to tarnish one group of people with the same brush, but these are as close as I'll ever get to doing it.
Strange thing is though, certain parts of their lifestyle do have a huge appeal. It's just the way many of them go about it is so utterly wrong.
Anyway, I'm off to bed now. Have to get up in the morning to work to earn some money to tax and insure my car........oh if only there were some other way 🙂
Irish travellers moved into our front yard at home (three families) when my elderly Father refused to pay the £2000 demanded they threatened him with violence. Police and the local Council did nothing; they were too concerned about the travellers 'welfare'
I shot two of their dogs and turned gun on them - they left.
I find them a very understanding race.......
I hate gypos.
I classify that as anyone that owns a caravan by the way.
So if everyone watched the actual programme this thread was intended to be about, why hasn't anyone mentioned the paedo aspect?
It seems to be a cultural norm within the Roma community to sell their daughters into marriage at 12 or 13, and then party the day after she's LOST her virginity. Isn't that known as sexual grooming?
I called them dirty, they were. I called them thieving, they were. I called them Gypos, they were. I guess it's fair to generalise their community and refer to them as paedos, cos they are.
Or should we simply be more understanding of their cultural traditions? Maybe they could apply for a Wedding dress grant, but hang on a second wouldn't the wedding dress already be VAT exempt because they are under 16? Maybe Mothercare could bring out a range of wedding dresses in areas with high Roma numbers?
I guess it's fair to generalise their community and refer to them as paedos, cos they are.
By that "logic " enfht you are a rapist then as some people in your community have raped people. Some of them are paedos so you/we/all of us must be too.
Still seem a resonable conclusion then?
I guess it's fair to generalise their community and refer to them as paedos, cos they are.
And I guess it's fair to call you a moronic bigoted f**wit, cos you are.
Funny that.
Ahh, the voice of reason
Thats right, stick up for the Paedos cos they "stuck up" for you no doubt..
