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Is it just me who finds it irritating that the STW forum [b]still[/b] has the following issues:
- it's impossible to nest quotes
- the line spacing is all wrong when using quotes
- there's no PM facility
- it's far from straightforward to check what posts somebody has made (just which threads they've posted on, which is really helpful with 500 post threads)
- you can't go direct to the first new post in a thread since you last read it

I'm sure there must be more. All trivial things, but all things which you can do on other forums I use, which use industry standard forum software. Can somebody explain to me again why it is it's impossible for STW to use this and it has to have it's own custom software with much worse functionality?


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:40 am
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That's all? I thought it was going to be about cockwarbling level of content.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:42 am
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have it's own custom

Hmm, I'm not sure those are big problems myself. Why do you want a PM facility? It's two clicks to find a user's email address if they want to give it. The lack of a spelling and grammar checker before posting though...

EDIT - which is a trivial thing too, I see the irony of that:)


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:46 am
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Is it just me who finds it irritating that the STW forum still has the following issues:
- it's impossible to nest quotes
Good. I hate these forums where a post is toooo looong because it's a quote of a quote of a quote
- the line spacing is all wrong when using quotes
hadn't noticed
- there's no PM facility
but those that wish to be contacted include their email address in their profile
- it's far from straightforward to check what posts somebody has made (just which threads they've posted on, which is really helpful with 500 post threads)
Agreed - this can be a bit irritating
- you can't go direct to the first new post in a thread since you last read it
Aye - again a bit irritating sometimes.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:46 am
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Me too DonS....... I feel cheated ๐Ÿ™ and used ๐Ÿ™‚


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:47 am
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Hey! Love it or leave it buddy!


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:47 am
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Perhaps if everyone was forced to pay for using the forum there would be more money to pay for developments? Maybe the new "Premier only" mobile site will encourage a few more subscriptions.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:48 am
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Perhaps if everyone was forced to pay for using the forum there would be more money to pay for developments? Maybe the new "Premier only" mobile site will encourage a few more subscriptions.

or maybe the forum generates revenue for the magazine and through advertising and the forum software is free anyway and requires very little maintenance and asking for subscriptions is a bit cheeky as most fora are run for free.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:52 am
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Perhaps if everyone was forced to pay for using the forum

Not gonna happen. Don't be silly.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 12:56 am
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Aye - we get what we pay for.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 1:02 am
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Premier only mobile site? Have I missed something?


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 1:05 am
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Don't see the issue myself


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 1:06 am
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"the line spacing is all wrong when using quotes"
hadn't noticed

Yeah, but how much trouble did you have to go to to get it neat like that, rather than just typing normally (note my use of a quote of a quote which isn't that long, but essential to get the point of what I'm quoting)?

but those that wish to be contacted include their email address in their profile

So the set of those people who don't like publishing their e-mail address doesn't have any members who are also in the set who'd like people to be able to contact them privately? Or the set of those people who just haven't bothered to set up their profile?


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 1:11 am
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Have you seen the amount of visual spam on other forums? This place is a blessing.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 1:15 am
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So the set of those people who don't like publishing their e-mail address doesn't have any members who are also in the set who'd like people to be able to contact them privately? Or the set of those people who just haven't bothered to set up their profile?

Nah venn, no need for That!


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 1:17 am
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From what I've seen of other fora this is a paragon of simplicity and clarity. When you have to click on boxes to reveal replies then I rapidly lose interest. I want to follow the thread just like one continuous conversation, and having to constantly reveal hidden replies sucks.
And nested quotes gets pretty cumbersome too, I just put quote marks in, and it's easy to italicise or bolden to get the emphasis across.
Sorry, but of all the forums I've looked at or contributed to, this is the best by far for clarity and ease of use.


 
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but of all the forums I've looked at or contributed to, this is the best by far for clarity and ease of use.

agree with you ! ๐Ÿ™‚
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Posted : 01/12/2011 3:08 am
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if you click on the minutes after the thread title rather than the thread title itself takes you to the latest post.

sounds like you're experiencing U53R errors.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 7:10 am
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I'll add a few...

No avatars... they may be pointless but can be fun!

No user post count to tell if its someone thats been on here a while or possibly a troll / messer.

No rep power like on the mtbr forums.. quite cool I think!


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 7:46 am
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No avatars... they may be pointless but can be fun!

No user post count to tell if its someone thats been on here a while or possibly a troll / messer.

No rep power like on the mtbr forums.. quite cool I think!

Absolutely. And while we're at it I would like to see wacky signatures, more sub groups (I'm sick of opening a thread about a stem and realising it's about O/S when I want standard - this is why you need sub categories...people), more stickys (at least the top half of each sub section), customisable colours etc....

Or we could just leave it alone.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:04 am
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Not much that needs fixed IMO.

The old 40 post bug lives on though.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:11 am
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It's nice that it doesn't look like every other vbulletin forum everywhere, laden down with pointless bollox features. The lack of a quote function is irritating though.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:25 am
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The only thing that sucks about STW forum are the threads complaining about it . . .


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:28 am
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I can tell you 2 things you won't see in this list ever.

Avatars on the forum never ever, they will remain in the profile.

PM the database and bandwidth drain would be huge, now before you say other forums have it take a look up there and see how many posts there is here.

There is busy bodies at the minute doing more IT related stuff so they are doing behind the scenes stuff. No I don't know any details.

As mentioned if you click on the time of last post it'll take you to it.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:34 am
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RichieTS is right.

It's free. Dinnae moan when something is good and free.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:36 am
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The only thing I miss is being able to switch views. IIRC the "old" forum allowed you to view the latest post or the latest topic. Other than that the forum is spot on.

And the hamsters seem to be running ok as well.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:44 am
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Nested quotes really spoil loads of forums. They're awful. Avatars are shit. Theres enough spam in my inbox already without getting more from you lot.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:49 am
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it's impossible to nest quotes

An long may it remain like that


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 8:52 am
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> it's impossible to nest quotes.
An long may it remain like that

Agreed.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:04 am
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Premier only mobile site? Have I missed something?

Oh are you not part of the niche test group.

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Posted : 01/12/2011 9:04 am
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> > it's impossible to nest quotes.
>An long may it remain like that

Agreed.

plus 2


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:04 am
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As mentioned if you click on the time of last post it'll take you to it.

But that takes you to the last post in the thread, not the more personal touch of taking you to the first new post since you read on the thread.

I seem to remember that the old forum had a "new" badge on threads with new posts since last time you read them. But I also seem to remember it was buggy as hell and a drain on the database, which is presumably why we don't have it now.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:07 am
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I quite like avatars when they're small and unobtrusive.

It's banner signatures that do my head in. Trying to read a conversation where there's one line of text, a banner; a line of text in reply quoting the previous line and banner; a third line of text containing the previous two posts and banners as nested quotes; and oh, we've filled the page.

If I could change one thing about the forum, it'd be the way it hotlinks to images on other sites. Getting other people to pay for your bandwidth is bad form. Next after that would probably be stickies, or some other mechanism by which we didn't get the same questions asked every fortnight.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:16 am
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not the more personal touch of taking you to the first new post since you read on the thread.

Just spend all your time on here and stop complaining FFS some people want everything done for them...

Like me, I actually want the forum to actually suck.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:20 am
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It is a bit clunky.. But so what?

It's the content I enjoy not the format of it.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:20 am
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But that takes you to the last post in the thread, not the more personal touch of taking you to the first new post since you read on the thread.

'tis true


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:21 am
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If I could change one thing about the forum, it'd be the way it hotlinks to images on other sites.

I always try to add a credit or a link to the original site in my post for this reason.

Bear in mind some sites encourage and absolutely thrive on hotlinked images (e.g. [url= http://xkcd.com ]xkcd[/url])

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Posted : 01/12/2011 9:29 am
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I like it. I'd like it more if you could change the capitalisation of your username everytime you logged in, but hey.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:38 am
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If I could change one thing about the forum, it'd be the way it hotlinks to images on other sites. Getting other people to pay for your bandwidth is bad form.

I'm lost what you mean by this, the forum allows people to post images yes, the idea is for posting their photos but of course we all use it for other things. The rules do ask for the image to be linked though but that;s rarely done.

[i]Placing images on the forum requires you to link to the site where the image originated from. Read forum help for details on how to achieve this.[/i]


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:39 am
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Cycle Chat has just gone though a second change of forum software and their forum works pretty well, Shaun the mod is still tweaking it to make it better.

However the CC forum isn't as lively and interesting as STW's forum. I come here for a giggle then I go over to CC later.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:43 am
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I didn't like this site when it first emerged from the ashes of the great hack; but now I like it a lot.

Clean, simple, easy to follow and possible to run at work without attracting too much attention.

Please don't ever add avatars or signatures - they are hateful!

Dave


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:55 am
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It's fine as it is , if it works don't try to fix it.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 9:56 am
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I'm lost what you mean by this

When user-embedded images load, they're served from the originating server rather than STW. So, we use the original host's bandwidth rather than our own, which they're paying for.

http://altlab.com/hotlinking.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_linking

... and many others.


 
Posted : 01/12/2011 10:35 am
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I think cougar's right for third party sites but then copying them onto an stw server might be considered to be copyright theft?

if anyone's bothered they can stop hotlinking and for photobucket etc it seems logical to pick them up from the originating account/server


 
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So, we use the original host's bandwidth rather than our own, which they're paying for

I like to think of it as a sort of informal reciprocal agreement - some sites don't want to participate so they use various methods to discourage it

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