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Apparently the queue has been paused for 6 hrs… expect the first queue for the queue to begin.
I queued for two hours in -17 blizzard conditions across red square in 1982 to see lenin
Wow, that's like a top trumps death card for an STW political thread.
Just here to say that ^ no way people will be able to resist making a queue for the queue
Wow, that’s like a top trumps death card for an STW political thread.
It's what school trips were like in the 80s when your history teacher was a Marxist
Plus Lenin was visible!
I queued to see Mao in 1998. About an hour queue 22 years after his death. His embalmed body had a freaky luminescent glow. And the exit was literally through a gift shop of Mao tat, waving plastic statues and the like.
Just here to say that ^ no way people will be able to resist making a queue for the queue
There's a whole new branch of psychology here. We could call it Queuer Theory.
And the exit was literally through a gift shop of Mao tat
How superbly ironic.
will support for the monarchy drop in a couple of years, once Liz starts to fade into historical memory, and Charles is king?
Oh absolutely yes. The Queen was the only unimpeachable one, in the eyes of the public. Once this blows over support will leave in droves - Charles is damaged goods in PR terms. There's a chance William could save it though.
I’ve no interest in being a Queuer, but, you know, it’s a free country, they aren’t harming anyone,
Plus the whole thing is entertaining. It’s like a giant satire only it’s not, it’s real and absolutely mind boggling from my perspective. Now feel wrong for being entertained by the death of a much loved person. Media’s fault though! If they’d not interviewed the royal bee keeper about breaking the news to the bees I would’ve never paid attention to any of it.
Thanks for the link crazy legs, that was interesting.
As I said earlier in the thread last month I queued for about an hour to see a shrine at the Hari Krishna temple. I am not a Hindu and to be perfectly honest I didn't really know what I was queuing up for but I was intrigued by the sight of hundreds of people queuing during a Krishnashtami festival, the fact the queue hardly moved and everyone seemed so relaxed and patient made it even more intriguing.
The end result was that I spent just a couple of minutes in front of an admittedly impressive shrine which meant nothing to me although I found the profound reverence of the crowd quite contagious.
What struck me most though was that despite being clueless concerning what to expect, and being one of maybe 3 or 4 white faces among hundreds (for this I queued on my own) I didn't in anyway at all feel that I was an outsider who wasn't in sync with everyone, which I guess backs up the claim made in the link concerning the false impression of people's motives. Also it was very clear to me that some people were vastly more religious than others, some you could see were doing out of duty or to be with friends and family.
will support for the monarchy drop in a couple of years,
Might increase. If he and Son1 reform enough, some detractors could come on board, and the supporters won't be going anywhere soon.
Just to say they also run a tight queue in Windsor down the High Street every weekend for the castle. Properly dressed attendants too. There is seating along the edge of the castle, a Weatherspoons and a McD for the famished. As one would expect. I find the statistic that 1% of a nation might file past a single location within a few days a rather impressive logistical feat (since we're not Lichtenstein).
Charles is damaged goods in PR terms. There’s a chance William could save it though.
Have to agree with this. The Queen managed (in my opinion) never to actually look pompous or self important, which was an incredible feat given the role and everything that surrounds it. There is no way the new Monarch will manage that. William might be able to.
If he and Son1 reform enough, some detractors could come on board, and the supporters won’t be going anywhere soon.
Reform, or just different PR? When it comes to real reform, I'm still very unclear whether that is entirely in the hands of the current Monarch. I've asked before, but who has to approve any reform? What if that reform requires changing statute?
it’s all a lot less crazy than the reaction when Diana died, thank goodness.
This is very true and I hadn't thought of that.
I guess this particular national mourning doesn't include allegations that the Queen was murdered or driven to her death, which I guess would up the emotions.
The only conspiracy theory I have heard suggested so far is that the HM's coffin might be filled with potatoes. Although I suppose it's still early days.
Another interesting (to me, at least) link, about the psychology behind public mourning:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02945-9
it's not exactly the same as queuing but BITD I'd regularly drive for 8 or 9 hours in an uncomfortable car with shit heating / ventilation, to some faraway provincial shithole town and back again.
On the positive side, it wasn't stood up queuing and you could at least listen to the cassette player (not radio though, that had an earthing issue so there was static in time with the engine revs). And instead of a 2 minute payoff, it was 90 minutes.
On the negative side, even in those days it was a full tank of petrol, plus entrance fees, and overpriced burger, and the 90 minute payback was 90 minutes watching Reading inevitably get humped by someone like Hartlepool or Bury.
That's what fringe nutters look like.
I guess this particular national mourning doesn’t include allegations that the Queen was murdered or driven to her death, which I guess would up the emotions.
She was literally driven to her death.
As this many people are interested maybe HM should be embalmed and displayed permanently. It could do wonders for the tourist industry.
I wonder if this will be the catalyst for a Coronavirus bubble.
Probably not particularly as you're only in contact with a couple of people in front and behind you for the whole time.
Probably more chance of spread in your local supermarket.
So let’s get this straight.
Is it ok for people to queue for hours to see a shrine to a deity that’s never existed, without being slagged of as some kind of nut job, but when someone queues for hours to pay respect to an actual person who did exist….they’re a nut job?
Yours, confused of North Yorkshire. 😂🧐🤔
a deity that’s never existed,
Prove it.
it’s all a lot less crazy than the reaction when Diana died, thank goodness.
Yeah but that was an untimely and tragic death with overtones of scandal and conspiracy so it was always going to elicit a different response to that of an elderly woman. Everyone knew the Queen didn't have much longer to go, it's not exactly a surprise that she's died.
The Diana thing wasn't helped by the initial very poor response from the Palace; that was one occasion the Queen really did drop a clanger in misreading the public mood.
Prove it.
Can’t prove the unprovable. Got any photo’s?
The only conspiracy theory I have heard suggested so far is that the HM’s coffin might be filled with potatoes
That rumour started doing the rounds with King Edward's coffin.
That rumour started doing the rounds with King Edward’s coffin.
I was just about to chip in with that..
Stop digging up old potatoes news
I have a theory about British people and queues. You claim to be good at them but that is just not true - for example why do you not queue in an orderly fashion in pubs where it would actually be useful? And bus queues, all very orderly when there are plenty of buses and seats, until there is a shortage of space on the bus and not everybody will get a seat, then all of a sudden it's an elbows out shoulders down rammy.
I think you like queues as it means you get to speak with strangers, without the fear that you might actually have to speak with them again. Other cultures have different ways of doing this.
The bit on BBC on the morning where Charlie Stayt talks to people in The Queue is hilarious! 9/10 I have seen so far "we heard everybody was coming and we don't want to miss out".
I think we can safely say that FOMO is playing a bigger part in some societal changes than many will admit.
Can’t prove the unprovable. Got any photo’s?
Its 2022 Jim. Feelz > Facts
for example why do you not queue in an orderly fashion in pubs where it would actually be useful?
Ah but there IS a queue in a pub, in as much as everyone at the bar knows who was there before them and whose turn it is to be served next. The fact that it's a long flat queue is just to confuse visitors.
Also - you love to tut about queues. I jump them all the time, sometimes without realising (see thepurist post) and sometimes on purpose because they are so vaguely constituted that one cannot be expected to notice them. The worst thing that ever happens? Sidey way looks and eye-rolling, some tutting etc. Occasionally I get called on it so just fake an Australian accent and fake apologise.
for example why do you not queue in an orderly fashion in pubs where it would actually be useful?
We all know where we are in the queue at the bar and I will point the bar staff at the next in line if it's not my turn. We're not savages!
Ah in my younger years being of small stature and a female, the barmaid would bypass me, as they always could flirt with the chaps. The thinking behind this is that the males then tipped the buxom barmaid and I would not. That is correct, as I'd been pushed in on so many times, I did not tip the barmaid.
Anyway back to queues, how on earth do they start up the queue again? Will there be a mad rugby scrum to get to the new/old queue, or as said above, is there a secret new queue to start up the old queue?
Ah in my younger years being of small stature and a female, the barmaid would bypass me, as they always could flirt with the chaps. The thinking behind this is that the males then tipped the buxom barmaid and I would not. That is correct, as I’d been pushed in on so many times, I did not tip the barmaid.
I'm afraid we're into a chicken and egg situation here though
I know from experience, as I've worked behind enough of them, bar staff are both non-judgemental (hate everyone equally) and completely mercenary. If you'd dropped a bigger tip than Nigel and Dave then you'd be getting served before them.
Simple as that.
Don't tip? ... then you're getting served last after all the people who say 'keep the change...'
This has got me thinking... what kind of deviant would stand in a queue for hours and hours on a Friday afternoon/Evening when the pubs are open? What the hell is wrong with these people?
We all know where we are in the queue at the bar and I will point the bar staff at the next in line if it’s not my turn. We’re not savages!
And by doing so, you ensure you ALWAYS get served next anyway, so nothing lost.
Sounds like you went in the wrong pubs Bunnyhop. Sandwich, thepurist and I would have made sure you got served in turn.
When I read that there's now a queue to join the queue, my mind exploded.
Not only was he spotted in the queue, he also had snacks
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blimey binners, how on earth did you know it was always Nigel and Dave who pushed in and gave the biggest tips?
As one gets older and wiser and more often the barmaids were replaced by young males, then yes I did get served and yes they were offered the change. tthew - definitely bad pub choices in my youth :O)
Edit: we need to know now what flavour crisps and which doughnut filling.
I'm now fantasising that at the end of this the coffin is opened and David Blaine pops out and thanks everyone for their involvement in his latest stunt
Or better still Meghan markle's dad
The perfect illustration of a queue isn’t a bar, as there always some pissed up dickhead who ruins it, plus the above mentioned tipping/flirting.
The perfect queue is a barbers shop. You walk into a room, you acknowledge who is in there. They go before you. Anyone who comes in after, after you. No appointments, no ‘I was next!’, just quiet, perfect, waiting till everyone that was there before you had been seen to, before your turn.
You're just showing off now because you've still got hair
Ah in my younger years being of small stature and a female, the barmaid would bypass me, as they always could flirt with the chaps. The thinking behind this is that the males then tipped the buxom barmaid and I would not. That is correct, as I’d been pushed in on so many times, I did not tip the barmaid.
This theory falls apart when inevitably the bar staff are predominantly male, and any sensible group went to the bar in mixed sex couples, the lady to get served and the gent to help carry.
Does the queue exit through Ye Olde Gifte Shoppe?
For some unfathomable reason, this has appeared in our house!
Someone has worked out how to maximise the mourning..
https://twitter.com/_richardparry_/status/1570706799975862272?s=46&t=T6e7gbpkTON4sHv-_vI0Kg
This theory falls apart when inevitably the bar staff are predominantly male, and any sensible group went to the bar in mixed sex couples, the lady to get served
Depends. I know one bar manager who always argued for serving attractive females who were flirting last. The reasoning was no chance in reality so might as well enjoy it for a while.
Busy pub it was hard to remember everyone who had tipped so that never worked but we did a mental queue of who was waiting regardless of the shouting.
Did win a tenner once after being out with a mate and mates of mates, one of whom was utterly convinced of his bar queue hopping ability so he challenged any to get served first as we walked into a pub. Bad luck on his part really that it was the pub I worked in.