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So, the consensus seems to be that, as a nation we're fat because:
We have no self control
We have self control, but it's the corporations' fault
It's the state's fault for not educating us
It's our fault for not educating ourselves
There are legitimate health factors which cause weight gain
We should ignore other health factors because you iz fatty innit
Thin is better
Fat is better
Fit is better
Unfit is better
Binners and ton are doing market research for Ginsters' next product
Glad all that's sorted..!
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corn syrup has a lot to answer for
Info please iDave.
I'll try and be succinct here but, imo, the guidelines that GPs receive from the Royal College of Physicians concernng thyroid diagnosis is misleading. It hinges on one blood test result and if this is not above a certain level, even though you may have many other symptoms including weight gain, then you need anti-depressants.
C-G; before leaving hospital medicine for general practice, this stuff used to be my bread and butter...
I'm not sure what would have happened in your case TBH, but the diagnosis of hypothyroid/sick euthyroid ('nearly hypothyroid') via the blood tests leaves little to the imagination - either it is or it isn't.
Sure, if the test really doesn't fit with what you can expect, then the [b]result may be wrong[/b] and I'd request it be repeated, but unless you get one of these results:
[i]primary hypothyroidism:
hypothyroidism due to thyroid disease
TSH is elevated
free T3 and free T4 are low
secondary hypothyroidism:
hypothyroidism due to pituitary disease
TSH is low or normal
free T3 and free T4 are low
hyperthyroidism:
TSH levels are low
free T3 and free T4 are high
T3 levels may be elevated earlier in the disease[/i]
Or borderline T3/4 and high TSH, then the thyroid would be funcioning and you wouldn't have dysthyroid disease....
I'd be interested to know (not on here obviously, but at the next get together) how your diagnosis was missed then eventually made? Anyway, hope all is getting better! 🙂
DrP
Binners and ton are doing market research for Ginsters' next product
With official medical backing.......
DrP
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With official medical backing.......
No wonder DC is so hell bent on wreaking havoc on the NHS if this is what you lot are up to..!
Weight control is actually far easier eating crap. Captain Birdseye, Mr Kipling and Great Uncle Pork Farms all clearly write their kilojoules on the packet. No excuses. Get someone to do the maths for you if you can't manage yourself. Alternatively I have a handy spreadsheet programme that also works out the % energy intake from fat, carbohydrate and protein of all your fave frozen and preprocessed goodies that I'll sell anyone for a fiver. Doesn't include lettuce.
No wonder DC is so hell bent on wreaking havoc on the NHS if this is what you lot are up to..!
Cameron and Lansley want to give DrP and colleagues [i]more[/i] control. Just think of the pastry concoctions!
Conducting research for Gingsters? And they said I'd never amount to anything. Who's laughing now then eh? MUHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Hang on a minute.... I think I'll have to sit down for a bit.. That over-enthusiastic laughing has really taken it out of me
why not just make all overweight people give healthy people piggybacks everywhere instead of funding a public transport system. its genius:
fat people get thinner and work towards being given a piggy back from other people
muscle type people get more musclez
healthy people have to keep watching their weight or they end up being the ones giving peoples piggybacks.
"what do you ride to work?"
"i've got myself an ex-miner from opp north, he struggles on the hills but is polite enough not to look up my skirt at the lights!"
[i]Although she also told me that when you reach a certain age, it was either 50 or 60 I think, that people who come within the 'overweight' range (out of underweight-normal-overweight-obese-morbidly obese) have the highest life expectancy, statistically. [/i]
That's only because the ambulance men know where they live already. They probably do a regular pass of their houses. If they see them lying on the lawn having collasped on the way to the biscuit shop, they fire up the cow lift and stick 'em in the back.
C_G
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/AN01588
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002658491_healthsyrup04.html
If you want to get a very pissed off with the food manufacturing indurty and govt inaction...... from 56.30 for the fructose bits
I really can't understand why people don't just move less and eat more.
its not as simple as that yeti, molly says so 😉
i've never licked a fat person, but i've always assumed they'd taste of golden syrup or doritos.
some people you can tell would taste of chips, cos thats what they smell like.
*lifts up belly flap and wipes dry with a KFC napkin*
The government are on thin ice lecturing anyone about obesity....
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My Mrs says I smell like bubble gum... but only says it when I'm sweating in my gym gear.
Have you never licked my eye-balls yeti? They taste of pork and leek sausages
[i]Have you never licked my eye-balls[/i]
Is this thread about obesity or sex?
They can come and run with me, I'd get them thin LOL
I'd charge by weight for flying. None of this baggage allowance stuff whereby someone who weighs 20st gets the same baggage allowance as me. You're allowed a weight of [x] all up, you plus baggage.
So if you're really fat, you have to do some exercise before you have your holiday. That would mean that I didn't have to sit next to your overflowing arse on the plane nor would I have to look at your excess blubber wallowing on the beach!
WIN!
Yeah, but non-obese people can end up with all those long term conditions, too - alzheimer's, dementia, etc. They just get them later, which means more years not working and claiming more state aid. From a purely economic point of view, the state should be encouraging obesity and smoking.
Mogrim: It's the other way round....
Obesity accelerates the onset of ill-health which then stays with the patient for a longer term hence "long term condition". This means more years not working and claiming state aid, which is why the state, and one another for that matter, should be encouraging: a balanced diet, exercise, a reduction in obesity and stopping smoking etc - not the other way round.
Where is this mythical fat but fit person?
When he/she/it is found, how about sticking them on a bike and proving this fitness on say a 50 mile ride - or even a 1 mile run.
I suspect fitness is defined in this case by an ability to get out of a chair and walk to the fridge...
Where is this mythical fat but fit person?
I used to go mountain biking in the Lakes two or three times a week, plus cycle to work most days, and maybe go climbing once a week or for the odd walk in the Lakes (ie up Hellvelyn etc). I went out walking with someone from a MR team who commented on how fit I was (obviously not compared to some of the gods on here). I was still classed as obese according to BMI.
cinnamon_girl: Thyroxine is available over the counter in Spain yet they still have an obesity problem, what's happening there?
I don't doubt there are a few individuals for which health conditions play a factor in their weight but I don't think health conditions are responsible for the 'obesity crisis'
Where is this mythical fat but fit person?
'tis [b]grum[/b] - it appears.
epicyclo........i rode 2 x 300k audax rides whilst weighing 18stone+
50mile rides are a walk in the park. 😀
I regularly run with a woman who's probably at least 10kg overweight and she can run 10-15 miles with no real problems. she's doing 10 mins miles but she doesn't need to stop.
Fit and fat
'tis grum - it appears.
I am legend.
I don't doubt there are a few individuals for which health conditions play a factor in their weight but I don't think health conditions are responsible for the 'obesity crisis'
Agreed. But it does show that people shouldn't be so quick to judge and make sweeping generalisations - except of course that this is STW. 🙂
50mile rides are a walk in the park.
Hope you're able to get out to do some more soon.
After you've built that pie, mind.
Where is this mythical fat but fit person?
Here.
Where is this mythical fat but fit person?
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2002/sep/17/healthandwellbeing.health2 ]Jonah Lomu has a BMI over 30.[/url] 😀
Regarding medical conditions an obesity: the Mrs is a Diabetes and Endo specialist. She gets a [u]lot[/u] of patients telling her that they have thyroid or "gland" issues that cause weight gain. Very few turn out to have anything outside the normal range.
That doesn't always go down well though and there are a few discredited/struck off doctors making money by telling people that the NHS are deliberately misdiagnosing thyroid issues. 👿 They aren't of course, but some people love to have someone else to blame.
Ironically enough the missus is also diabetic herself and genuinely does have a thyroid problem (for which she takes thyroxine), but she watches her diet, does some exercise and somehow manages to stay slim.
some people love to have someone else to blame
my nan has seen 10+ consultants to see why she is short of breath, can't walk etc. 10+ consultants have told her to lose weight. everytime she gets increasingly annoyed that they won't diagnose the "real problem".
Ironically enough the missus is also diabetic herself and genuinely does have a thyroid problem
So she and her quack doctor says. 😛
So she and her quack doctor says.
😆 having watched her go mental several times because she is hypo I'm fairly convinced the diabetes is real. (Though I suppose it is true that many non-diabetic crazy women can be calmed down by a Mars bar 🙂 )
The thyroid issues were actually quite useful just after she gave birth. Zero sleep required. 😀
Where is this mythical fat but fit person?
A remarkably fit guy despite his size
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DrP - I said look away!!! More info on the Post Viral Fatigue thread, it's getting rather long though. Blame the sickly people on here. 😉 I'm on the mend hopefully and without Thyroxine, you wouldn't approve. 🙂
ebygomm - Thyroxine doesn't work for everybody and I'm not saying anything else cos I've been accused of GP bashing.
iDave - thank you, will look at those links later.
Crisps = bad
Carrots = good
Not that hard fatties
What about mini chedders eh? They're baked. Which is where it gets confusing
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excellent!
Stop believing what you see on the TV or read in the gutter press. If you're serious, watch and learn. I was dragged along to this lecture and found it fascinating. I don't know if it will be on here but there was a definate plant from the NHS who tried to put a spanner in the works, the last thing the government want is their plan to be sabotaged by someone who knows what they're on about!!!
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grum ton emsz tsy, that chomping noise is me having to eat my words. 😳
They need to narrow the aisles in supermarkets that contain the cakes, biscuits, choc, crisps etc.
Anyone over 12 stone wouldn't be able to fit down them.
Alternatively, treadmills at the tills?
'If you want that Krispy Kreme you're going to have to run for 30 minutes first'
Firm, but fair
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