Forum menu
[img] 
[/img]
[img] 
[/img]
[img] 
[/img]
[img] 
[/img]
[img] http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=9679&d=1314961127 [/img]
[img] 
[/img]
Bonus points if anyone can tell me what role George HW Bush was playing before becoming Vice President of the Reagan Administration which began the support of Saddam which continued into HW's presidency...
[url= http://www.****/news/article-2402174/CIA-helped-Saddam-Hussein-make-chemical-weapons-attack-Iran-1988-Ronald-Reagan.html ]
CIA 'helped Saddam Hussein carry out chemical weapons attack on Iran' in 1988 under Ronald Reagan[/url]
Yes forum pay attention only the Muslims do bad things due to their religion as it says so in their book
That's not what he said, stop shit-stirring.
There's Jambybollocks, but there's also Junkybollocks 🙂
@jimjam feel free to analyse my statement you quoted for evidence of trolling or indeed right wing / Britian First / EDL leanings
As my very learned American friend said, "the Bataclan is France and Europe's 9/11. It will change everything"
A quick look at the history of the religious conflicts in Scotland during the late 1600s should be enough to convince anyone that the best way to fight fire is not to pour more petrol on by creating martyrs out of innocents.
The result is like the spread of a plague.
molgrips are you trolling now or just very confused?
If I'm confused, please help me out by explaining.
To be fair, I think it's an interesting discussion 😳 We can all agree that Religion has had a very heavy influence on the world [b]SO[/b] of course we should agree that it also needs to take a very large portion of the responsibility of our regrets when looking backwards.
I always think religion still gets way more respect than it should, why does it get a free pass?
If a builder wrote a book on 'how to build houses' and 20 years later all those houses fell down, we would say that book is not the way to build houses AND we would ask 'why' that book was allowed/encouraged to be taught in schools and preached in every corner of society. If people continue to build their houses in such a way we would call them crazy, take them to court for endangering others and try and stamp out this type of building practice. This is how the education system works, isn't it?
Surely it is as simple as that.. the thousands of religions out there have all been de-bunked, they are wrong.
The history of religion within society is remarkable and interesting (@saxonrider 8) ) but we really should be making sure that any education of future generations clearly draws a line between the unknown and true fiction. If you teach lies and confusion then I think it likely you will end up with lot's of confused liars.
Should teaching one of those debunked religions to a child be considered abuse or a punishable offence?
That's not what he said, stop shit-stirring.There's Jambybollocks, but there's also Junkybollocks
His first post on this thread- Do you want me to get others from other threads where he does say that or will that do? hEnce you are either very confused or trolling comment.
You could just ask him you know I am sure he will be delighted to explain it again but really that is what he thinks. You could ask him to talk about christian terrorism and watch as he cannot and refuses or you could just get it wrong and say I am talking bollocks molly.
He really does think the quran justifies all that and when asked to produce the evidence he declined because you can be killed for criticizing the quran.
Pay attention molly
Indeed OP. As a Catholic I am reasonably familair with the Bible.But I don't see passages from the Old Testament being used to justify flying civilian airliners full of passengers into office blocks, suicide bombing the tube or the bus or a market, executing thousands of prisoners or those who believe in a slightly different version of the religion, taking sex slaves, shooting school children and university students, cartoonists or hundreds of people having dinner or attending a music concert.
He says it all the time so indeed do pay attention Molly and dont defend the troll.
We can all agree that Religion has had a very heavy influence on the world SO of course we should agree that it also needs to take a very large portion of the responsibility of our regrets when looking backwards.
That's very difficult indeed to prove in any meaningful way. Most conflicts could be considered religious but could easily be considered to have subverted religion for some other goal.
The only real truth is the mendacity of people. If religion had never been invented I doubt things would have been any different.
As a Catholic I am reasonably familair with the Bible.
As a Catholic, are you aware of this?
[img] 
?w=640[/img]
[img] 
?w=640[/img]
[img] 
?w=640[/img]
[img] 
?w=640[/img]
I appreciate it doesn't necessarily reflect the faith as a whole.
These are excerpts from a book by [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/In-Pursuit-Truth-Clive-Driscoll/dp/178503006X ]Clive Driscoll, in Pursuit of Truth[/url]:
Former Detective Chief Inspector Clive Driscoll is most famous for being the man who finally secured convictions for the murder of Stephen Lawrence, a case previously mired by claims of institutional racism and corruption. For Clive, it was the pinnacle of a 35-year career with the world’s most famous police force, the Metropolitan Police Service.
More here:
[url= https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/lambeth-part-4-clive-driscoll-in-pursuit-of-the-truth/ ]Lambeth Part 4 – Clive Driscoll The Truth about Child Sexual Abuse in Lambeth[/url]
And a BBC link for those who think this is all from la la land:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28316874 ]
Metropolitan Police officer was moved 'from child abuse inquiry'[/url]
Okay, I'm lost now.
We can all agree that Religion has had a very heavy influence on the world SO of course we should agree that it also needs to take a very large portion of the responsibility of our regrets when looking backwards.
That's very difficult indeed to prove in any meaningful way. Most conflicts could be considered religious but could easily be considered to have subverted religion for some other goal.The only real truth is the mendacity of people. If religion had never been invented I doubt things would have been any different.
@molgrips. I can agree with some of that (I don't think what I said is hard to prove, I didn't mention conflicts and not sure the ONLY real truth is the mendacity of people but I don't think they were your main points so not important.)
Yes I agree that with hindsight the dominant religions can also take a very large portion of responsibility for the positives. Nobody had/has a crystal ball so we can never know if things would have been better/worse or different.
Going forward, what we DO know is that these de-bunked made up teachings had and still have a large effect and we know it is wrong to teach a naive mind such lies regardless of the outcome. We must trust in our education and leave these old books behind, new books will be created and de-bunked until perhaps one day science and religion meet and everyone can live happily ever after.