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And those engines sound so shit.

I must admit I liked Lewis coming out of the pits JUST ahead of britney and Vettel. That was CLOSE! 😀

The sparks too from bottoming out 😀

question- Ferrari pitstop 2.4sec, Britneys crystop 3.4 secs, Lewis the Greats pitstop 3.7secs.

Why?

I like the new engines' sound. I also love that you can hear tyre squeal now.

Pitstops - maybe because Merc didn't need a lightning pitstop to get out in front (for LH that is) so played it a little safe. For Britney, maybe just not a great stop?

Ferrari's pitstops were about a second faster than the Merc ones !

coogan
And those engines sound so shit.

pondo

They sound ace.

No, they sound shit. It's not a nice or tuneful noise by any standards nevermind F1. My Subaru sounds nicer, serious.

No they sound great. They sound like F1 should - hi tech and cutting edge.

YMMV of course 😉

I like the way they all make really different, varied noises. Reminds me of the pod race in Star Wars! 🙂

Of all the complaints about modern F1 the noise is not a big deal. Seriously no one watches F1 for the noise alone. Better racing rather than the current drudgery with hardly any cars is what will kill F1. Reminds me of the bad old days of Indy Car when hardly any cars turned up.

No, they sound shit. It's not a nice or tuneful noise by any standards nevermind F1. My Subaru sounds nicer, serious.

Don't mind the sound of the V8s (liked the V10s that preceded it, and loved the V12s you posted links to), but turbos were the first F1 cars I knew from the early eighties (plus DFVs of course) - I think they just sound [i]mean[/i]. 🙂

nemesis - Member

They sound like F1 should - hi tech and cutting edge.

The nature of the sport and the money spent will mean they sound hi tech (within the regs). That doesn't equate to a good sound though. It's subjective of course, but I wouldn't want a road car that sounded like that. To me they just sound like the product of restriction and regulation. I enjoyed the last GP but the sound of the current cars does take a bit of the drama and enjoyment away for me.

but turbos were the first F1 cars I knew from the early eighties (plus DFVs of course) - I think they just sound mean.

Me too, and despite forced induction they sounded much better than the current cars.

They're just more refined-sounding, which is a reflection of them being a much more refined technology, the fundamental sound is pretty much the same.

So the sport has reached the point where we discuss engine noises and drivers [s]win races[/s] get furthe rup the poddium because they can do faster pit stops

And some say the sport is dull
Shall we discuss what aero package is kinder to tyres next?

pondo

They're just more refined-sounding, which is a reflection of them being a much more refined technology, the fundamental sound is pretty much the same.

I thought it was because they were smaller displacement lower revving engines, coupled with the turbo sucking a lot of noise from the engine, and the fact that they are trying to make them greener via regs.

Well, the old ones were only 100cc smaller, don't know what they revved to but probably two or three thou less than the current ones. Both of them are turbo, so they're both quieter than the atmospheric engines of their eras - obviously, back in the day it was all about ramming as much fuel and air town their necks as possible, nowadays, in search of efficiency and reduced emissions, it's a bit less agricultural, a bit more... Refined. 🙂

If you're at an f1 event and hear them back to back with gp2 or 3, the modern f1 noise sounds pretty good to me. An incessant loud drone versus the complex range of sound from the f1 car, clear sound of tyres protesting, really obvious braking points and mid corner throttle. All good.

From the engineering perspective they'd want a cold smooth exhaust flow which would mean you'd got every scrap of energy out of the combustion process. That'd be properly quiet,

Anyway I hope audi are filling in their entry form now because bernie promised to step aside if his presence was stopping them.

Kimi contract delayed.....

Ferrari to delay new Raikkonen deal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/32383584

Lewis still not signed. How soon could be be at Ferrari do we think?

In Pook's link is a great interview with LH/Seb if anyone missed it?

Biggest purchase that youve made? (Seb) a house.

Lewis (pause) erm a Jet 😆

thepurist - Member

If you're at an f1 event and hear them back to back with gp2 or 3, the modern f1 noise sounds pretty good to me. An incessant loud drone versus the complex range of sound from the f1 car, clear sound of tyres protesting, really obvious braking points and mid corner throttle. All good.

The broadcasters need directional mics trackside, or even on the car to convey more of this to liven up the soundscape, but even then they are fighting a losing battle with the current cars. Many people very well placed to comment have stated how poor the noise is and how it's bad for the sport. TBH if you're calling GP2 cars an incessant drone I guess engine noise isn't a big thing for you.

thepurist

Anyway I hope audi are filling in their entry form now because bernie promised to step aside if his presence was stopping them.

So we can have diesel F1 cars? Yaaaaay. Yaaaaaay. Yaaaaaaaaaay. /sarcasm.

Lewis still not signed. How soon could be be at Ferrari do we think?

Depends how far ahead he is in the Championship by Silverstone. If it looks like he's walking it then maybe Ferrari for 2016!

Assuming Vettel relinquishes the No.1 status Lewis thinks he has.

Or...
A new Renault F1 team looking for a lead driver (but Renault aren't big payers)

Or...
Back to McLaren!

Or...
He stays where he is (which is what I think will happen).

Have to say that if Hamilton wins the WC again this year then I reckon he'd consider the move to Ferrari a lot more than if not - 3 seems to be the magic number for the drivers - probably related to Senna. If you win 3 you're a great so 4, 5, 6, etc are not so essential (Still holding off on Vettel - I still can't see that he's as good as Alonso or Hamilton though I don't subscribe to the silliness that he was just lucky to be in a really good car for his four titles)

So Ferrari could probably get him to sign by not being very good this year and allowing LH to wrap up the championship early. Not going too well though so far 🙂 I suppose a few cold/wet races and it might be a different story.

think lewis would quite like to get to 4 to top the table of british drivers

Maybe though I get the impression that in many ways having a crack at winning in a Ferrari might be a bigger draw given his fondness for the US.

So Ferrari could probably get him to sign by not being very good this year and allowing LH to wrap up the championship early.

If he was contemplating a move to Ferrari a competitive car could be a big motivating factor. Ferrari are showing they are close at the minute, but not quite up to Mercedes. If the Ferraris start blowing up, or stop being competitive I can't see how that would entice him, unless he enjoys an uphill struggle. And if Ferrari manage to turn things around and start dominating then all the more reason to join them.

I think it's fair to say most drivers dream of winning the World Championship for Ferrari. You can't do that if the car's a dog. Unless your name's Schumacher.

It wasn't a serious comment...

I think LH would need a style makeover to be allowed anywhere near Maranello.

They'd tolerate it if he was winning. Enzo on the other hand....

Anyone done Abu Dhabi? Planning a trip and am looking for hotels, probably not on Yas Island though...

Talk about VW entering F1 (again! 🙂 )

[url= http://www.pitpass.com/53764/Resignation-sparks-VW-F1-speculation ]Pitpass[/url]

Damn - was hoping it was going to be due to somebody else leaving

Just wait a bit, Father time wait waits for no man...

boblo - I reckon squinty would try to pay his way out of that too. 100M for fraud, 10B for the grim reaper...

Given that VW's portfolio includes at least four brands that would love some of the marketing cachet that goes with being an F1 engine supplier, I'd be disappointed to see Audi branding on the cam covers of a VW F1 engine.

Given that VW's portfolio includes at least four brands that would love some of the marketing cachet

Erm, Skoda F1? That [u]would[/u] be disappointing.

It's most likely to be Audi so they could trumpet all the Le Mans wins if they got anywhere.

I can't see Bentley being a marketing triumph; nor VW being 'sporty' enough.

Aren't you forgetting Bugatti, Lamborghini and Porsche being brands they can use?

Skoda F1

Marketing brilliance if they win.

Trumpet all the Audi wins at Le Mans, while showing that Ferrai and Mercedes aren't as good as a Skoda.

Fantastic trashing of other people's brands.

If they win.

It'd be Porsche though wouldn't it?

TBH - they could enter and compete as the VAG Group with brands allover it. Take over from the drinks company and immediately cut out the whinging ****ers.

It would be which ever brand they can make most profit off within in the Middle /Eastern hemisphere shirley?

run the skoda / seat feeder team to the VAG F1! Looks like they might make an entrance after all.

Aren't you forgetting Bugatti, Lamborghini and Porsche...?

Not a bit; but I can't see how potential Bugatti or Lambo owners would have their heads turned by an entry to F1.

Porsche have their own (very successful) race series; what do they gain?

But anyone who might get tingly at the thought of a Seat F1 car may just go and buy a Leon.

They hope.

I can't see how potential Bugatti or Lambo owners would have their heads turned by an entry to F1

igm - Member

It'd be Porsche though wouldn't it?

Porsche have stated on numerous occasions that they prefer to go GT racing as it has more relevance to their road cars than F1. I suppose as both sports veer further into prototype territory the distinction might become irrelevant.

ScottChegg

I can't see how potential Bugatti or Lambo owners would have their heads turned by an entry to F1.

Lamborghini have dabbled with F1 recently, Bugatti have extensive motosports heritage. If either returned to F1 it would be a very big deal. If they were successful it would be huge for either brand. Assuming that's the way VAG wanted to go with the brand. Success in F1 isn't about selling cars next week.

As much as I'd like it to be Bugatti (assuming it isn't all just baseless rumours), it surely has to be either Audi or Porsche. It can't make sense for VAG to run both of those in WEC as well as a F1 campaign, and presumably those are the brands they prefer to have running in high level motorsport.

I'd be disappointed to see Audi branding on the cam covers of a VW F1 engine.

Audi branding on an F1 car, how awful

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I'd be disappointed to see Audi branding on the cam covers of a VW F1 engine.

To respond to aracer, while there's history with Audi and Grand Prix (but not Formula One, remember), the success and nostalgia bar would be set very high indeed...plus, I'm not mad keen on Audi as a brand.

Lamborghini and Porsche respectively have more recent F1 experience, the latter being a bit of a damp squib back in 1991 with Footwork, nee Arrows. Lamborghini very nearly bagged a partnership with McLaren at the tail end of 1993, but Ron Dennis was lured away by a deal with Peugeot...

If they wish to showcase their hybrid technology, then it would make sense for VW branding on the cam covers.