In fact on further reading Westminster does not even have the power to dissolve holyrood easily. It would take primary ;legislation and a supreme court battle
F163APermanence of the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government
(1)The Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government are a permanent part of the United Kingdom's constitutional arrangements.
(2)The purpose of this section is, with due regard to the other provisions of this Act, to signify the commitment of the Parliament and Government of the United Kingdom to the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.
(3)In view of that commitment it is declared that the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government are not to be abolished except on the basis of a decision of the people of Scotland voting in a referendum.]
Being a grotesque incompetent failure is also a lifestyle choice it seems.
To be fair, Braverman being binned before this makes sense now, Cleverly is against any discussion on leaving the ECHR, same with Cameron, Sunak again isn't a right wing loon, so expect a lot of Braverman/Lord Snooty/etc coming out aghast at this courts decision, but i believe Cleverly is already talking about 'other options' over Rwanda, so killing off this whole tragic episode!
That's my hope anyway, the last few years has been unbelievable with Johnson/Truss and the right wing mentalists being empowered, it's really felt that an entire nation has been run by a dozen or so people.
PCA
<br /><br />In Scotland, civil and political rights are protected by the Human Rights Act 1998 and provisions in the Scotland Act 1998. These rights come from the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).
https://www.gov.scot/policies/human-rights/
Lee Anderson says ministers should go ahead and “put planes in the air” to Rwanda anyway.
When I asked if he was suggesting ignoring the Supreme Court ruling, the Tory deputy chairman said govt should “ignore the laws and send them straight back”.
WTF? Really? That would be contempt of court surely and no chance the airlines would do something that illegal would they?
I'm gonna have to install Tor, or perhaps a burner windows vm purely to read more DM comments. Their readers appear to be apoplectic. Apparently we should leave the "EHRC" immediately 🤣
Sunak again isn’t a right wing loon
He is, don't let the better presentation and sharp tailoring fool you.
The tories are pivoting know in a desperate attempt to not get wiped out in an election, they know they have pushed the lunacy beyond what the majority of voters feel is acceptable so are trying to read the room, instead of leading the room in vitriolic attacks.
Karma is a bitch
It's pronounced "Braverman" 😉
WTF? Really? That would be contempt of court surely and no chance the airlines would do something that illegal would they?
Presumably 30 Pee Lee's solution for winning the next general election is to simply ignore the result.
It is astonishing to think that not long ago this geezer was in the Labour Party, and only left because he didn't like Jeremy Corbyn.
I’m gonna have to install Tor, or perhaps a burner windows vm purely to read more DM comments.
Vpn and private browsing should do it. You might feel the need to disinfect your phone though
the ECHR is incorporated in the act and the act can only be altered with the consent of Holyrood.
TJ - typed a whole beautiful erudite amusing insightful response (trust me!) and lost it due to 500 error. Short version: Parliament (Westminster) is sovereign. It can amend or repeal any of its own Acts any time it likes, including Human Rights Act and Scotland Act. Scotland Act doesn't incorporate ECHR into law - it merely limits powers of Scottish Parliament and Government. It can also withdraw the UK from ECHR any time it wants.
But it's not going to do any of these things anyway. Mind you, that's what I said about Brexit...
I do laugh that the minister responsible for producing the law and getting it on to the statue book is now blaming the court for her own inability to get legislation though that does what she wanted.
I do laugh that the minister responsible for producing the law and getting it on to the statue book is now blaming the court for her own inability to get legislation though that does what she wanted.
Trust me, that happens way nore often than you'd think.
couple of things wrong with that PCA - the ECHR is incorporated in the Scotland act and the act itself states that the Scottish parliament cannot be dissolved by Westminster ( see quote above)
Primacy of Westminster does stand
But yes - I have read further during this and its not as clear cut as I thought. Ultimatly it would be up to the courts to decide if Westminster does want to remove the ECHR from the various devolved parliaments
I reckon the best thing about the Supreme Court's ruling is that today was supposed to be the start of a campaign, led by Braverman, to leave the ECHR.
Today's ruling has made that completely irrelevant. The crusade that Braverman was hoping to lead, and all the headlines that would have gone with it, won't happen now.
If Braverman is unhappy with the Supreme Court's ruling she will now have to campaign to withdraw the UK from the United Nations.
They don’t want to solve the problem, they want to keep it at the front of the news. It’s now they motivate their base.
Sunak will present some legislation that he claims will work, but it will take a year to fail. Which is all he wants. “Vote Tory to stop the boats…next time”
The voters they are after are the willing dupes who will fall for this trick time after time, like Charlie Brown and the football.
TJ - keep losing bloody responses on my phone. Probably my fault.
HRA gives effect to ECHR in UK law. References to ECHR in Scotland Act are contingent on HRA existence (read defs in Scotland Act) and only limit ability of devolved bodies to legislate inconsistently with ECHR. If no HRA, Scotland Act provisions would have no effect - and in practice, if HRA were repealed, a consequential amendment would delete those refs to HRA in Scotland Act anyway.
Clause on permanence of Scottish Parliament can simply be repealed or amended by subsequent Act of UK Parliament. UK Parliament is sovereign and can't bind itself.
They don’t want to solve the problem, they want to keep it at the front of the news. It’s now they motivate their base
Very much this. It’s just non-virtue signalling to elderly Home Counties racists
I would imagine attempting to change the law when it involves tearing up international treaty obligations, just because you don’t like it, would be opening up a right old can of worms
Given their epic incompetence and obvious failure to even understand what the law is, it’d actually be quite funny to watch them attempt it. It’d be laugh-a-minute watching them tie themselves in knots, with the law of unintended consequences taking centre stage.
Rather than stop digging, they seem to have handed Jimmy Dimly (as John Crace refers to him) a bigger shovel 😂
TJ – keep losing bloody responses on my phone. Probably my fault.
Whats that phrase about workmen and tools? 🙂
fair enough points. I do think it would likely end up in the supreme court for adjudication if they did try it.
I reckon the best thing about the Supreme Court’s ruling is that today was supposed to be the start of a campaign, led by Braverman, to leave the ECHR.
Today’s ruling has made that completely irrelevant. The crusade that Braverman was hoping to lead, and all the headlines that would have gone with it, won’t happen now.
If Braverman is unhappy with the Supreme Court’s ruling she will now have to campaign to withdraw the UK from the United Nations.
Whether the ECHR withdrawal is at all relevant or possible post-ruling hardly matters. The usual idiots are already filling the airwaves with various hysterical and incoherent calls to change the law/ignore the law completely. Their audience laps that shit up. Most of us know that even if Sunak tried to change the law to allow Rwanda to go ahead, it cannot happen within the time he has left before an electoral annihilation. A year just isn't long enough to force it through and overcome a series of legal challenges. He might not even get it through the Commons.
It's all performative from now on until the election.
A fine piece of magical thinking from Johnson<br /><br />
The government has the power, under Schedule 3 of the Asylum and Immigration Act 2004, to ask parliament to deem Rwanda a safe country. That has not so far been done and it should now be done – immediately.
As if that would make the slightest difference to our obligations under international law. You can call a cat Rover and put it in a kennel but its still a cat
Just mischief making from him saying that he would have got it working using the power of magical thinking
Just mischief making from him saying that he would have got it working using the power of magical thinking
He could try lying to the King to try and get away with it...
Whether the ECHR withdrawal is at all relevant or possible post-ruling hardly matters.
Well it does, because tomorrow's headlines in the Sun, Daily Mail, Express, etc, were supposed be along the lines of "Braverman Calls For The UK To Leave The ECHR".
She has been robbed of her rallying call, they have stolen her thunder. This will not help her.
The usual idiots are already filling the airwaves with various hysterical and incoherent calls.....
I prefer to listen to Capital/70s or R4
Sunak says he will pass emergency law saying Rwanda is safe country, and won't let ECHR block deportation flights<br />Rishi Sunak starts by saying he does not agree with the supreme court decision, but he “accepts it and respects it”.
He says the rule of law is fundamental in this country.
The government will agree a new treaty with Rwanda, he says.
But he says he will introduce emergency legislation. This will assert that Rwanda is safe, he says.
(This is the Boris Johnson plan – see 4.07pm.)
And Sunak goes further. He says, once this legislation is passed, he will not let the European court of human rights stop flights to Rwanda.
More magical thinking. this will not survive its first contact with reality I am sure
Well it does, because tomorrow’s headlines in the Sun, Daily Mail, Express, etc, were supposed be along the lines of “Braverman Calls For The UK To Leave The ECHR”.
She has been robbed of her rallying call, they have stolen her thunder. This will not help her.
Since when has the headline in the Daily Mail had any contact with reality or facts? I wouldn't put it past them to still insist that leaving the ECHR would be the right message to send to the lefty woke judiciary. The focus may be slightly different, but it will still be a Suella rallying call to take back control of our laws/borders etc.
tjagain
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A fine piece of magical thinking from Johnson<br /><br />The government has the power, under Schedule 3 of the Asylum and Immigration Act 2004, to ask parliament to deem Rwanda a safe country. That has not so far been done and it should now be done – immediately.
As if that would make the slightest difference to our obligations under international law. You can call a cat Rover and put it in a kennel but its still a cat
Well, he's announced that this is exactly what he's going to do. Emergency legislation
More magical thinking.
Indeed. It’s the UK courts that will stop the deportation of asylum seekers, not the ECHR. But that lie could be made to stick… but I doubt Sunak is the man to do that… unless the papers really take it and run with it for a long period of time.
As for simply declaring in law that Rwanda is a safe country… utterly meaningless.
I recall watching TV the day after the brexit vote. It was all political editorial stuff, what would this mean for the country/ Cameron/ johndon/ tory party and so on. One great question asked by Marr or Peston or similar was 'what will the tory party look like, its always been divided on Europe and now the serving pm has lost a referendum on it?' The panel included various past mps....redwood.... Clarke and others. Clarke was sure the party would soon unite behind a new leader, he agreed Europe had always been divisive but was sure the best thing about the tories was their ability to put the party first, to come together and stay in power.
Hahhshahahahahshaaha! They may have clung to power but the show off togetherness we've had since that brexit vote and the possibility they will fracture into a hard right party and a.... don't know what to stand for but we are centre right party, this is going to run and run!
Well, he’s announced that this is exactly what he’s going to do. Emergency legislation
As a talking head on the news has just pointed out, legislation to change the law is one thing, legislation to change the facts is insane.
You can't legislate to make Rwanda safe when all the experts say it isn't. It's like legislating that black is now white.
https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1735686210578792620
If she were still Home Secretary, doubtless a bill to make pranking carry a prison sentence would be rushed through Parliament.
You get to see her receive the award at 10pm tonight on Channel 4's The Last Leg. 😁👍
Oi that's really ****ing insulting 😕
Oi that’s really **** insulting 😕
In the most amusing way possible
She seems to be busy trying to reinvent herself.
Private eye had a story about her being the surprise prize giver at the Political cartoon of the year awards.
Needless to say she seems to not have gone down overly well.
It was a beautiful thing to watch....
Thanks @martinhutch I’ve been going to bed instead of watching Last Leg as it had got a bit repetitive, however, well worth staying up for. I can’t believe they pulled something like that off, we need to spread it far and wide!
Just in case you missed it
Absolutely cringeworthy and yet a joy to watch. She really is spectacularly dim, isn't she?
I'd have thought her klan/advisors might have alerted her to the fact that the boat was a dinghy.
Beautifully done.
Just in case you missed it
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** chef's kiss **
Beautifully done but a missed opportunity!
Id have paid good money to have seen them hand her a gold painted cock and balls similar to the pic on the screen!
I honestly think she wouldn't have realised for a few seconds and those few precious seconds would have been utterly priceless. Priceless!😁
