I do not believe for one moment Gove supports Badenoch
Gove is a parasite. He attaches himself to whoever best serves his interest at any given moment. He will then jettison them without a second thought and move on to his next host, when it suits him to do so
If you've not already seen the Daily Stars front page today....
BBC News - Newspaper headlines: Braverman defies PM but right warn against removal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-67375909
Seems like Sunday's march is now more anti Cruella than pro Palestine. <br /><br />
little Rishi will dither and dither, and dither some more. And then most likely demote rather than sack her... making himself look weak and indecisive when he could have used this to send a strong message.
The core issue is that he IS weak and indecisive, and horribly out of touch.
I see that the usual headbangers are asserting themselves again and as Lil Rishi is terrified of them the tail once again wags the dog.
I love how they refer to themselves as ‘The Silent Majority’. They’re certainly not a majority and the ****s never shut up!
In any functional government, she’d be long gone!
Seems like Sunday’s march is now more anti Cruella than pro Palestine.
It's tomorrow not Sunday and it looks evermore likely that thanks to Braverman there will be violence with, ironically, neo-nazi far-right thugs descending onto London in support of Israel.
I expect that the police will make a very significant amount of arrests.
Rishi did this to himself: Suella had been fired as Home Secretary for misconduct only six days before he reappointed her. This is all on him. What did he think was going to happen? He should be getting called on to resign for his poor judgement , not just to sack her.
Some very useful information here for anyone going on tomorrow's demo:
https://dorseteye.com/if-you-are-going-on-the-palestine-solidarity-march-be-prepared/
Including:
It is likely the Metropolitan Police, under immense political pressure to crack down hard on any suspicion of support for Hamas, may decide to interpret “support” very broadly: potentially as broadly as placards expressing support for “Palestinian resistance” or “freedom fighters”.
This does not just mean making arrests on the day but also using CCTV, public appeals, social media analysis and facial recognition to make arrests in the weeks that follow.
Its just been pointed out that she's achieved something genuinely unique in Northern Ireland: she's united Unionists and Nationalists in condemnation of her as she clearly hasn't got a ****ing scooby what she's talking about.
Theres was a Tory MP on Radio 4 earlier saying that 'as Home Secretary, I'm sure she has an extensive knowledge of Northern Irish politics'
To which the reply was 'well if you read what she's written, she clearly hasn't got a clue!'
Only one of those statements is true
Sunak could sack her just for the level of utter ignorance she's exhibiting on such an important issue. She's meant to be the Home Secretary FFS!
Sunak is terrified of sacking her,- hes weak within the party and the headbanging right of the party like her honesty/bigotry
he will wait it out and see how events play out on Sunday & then the latest ruling on the Rwanda scheme is due on wednesday
'events' could still keep her place
damn david davis talking sense the worlds gone mad
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1722918284570292677
damn david davis talking sense the worlds gone mad
He is good on some subjects especially civil liberties.
Unlike many self professed libertarians he doesnt go for the "i should be free to do what i want and you should be free to do what i want".
damn david davis talking sense
He might be on the right of the party but it won't be the first time that he has talked sense.
He has been outspoken in his criticism of the Tory government plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.
Yeah, David Davis is at least consistent and doesn't soil his petticoats in outrage whenever he hears something he doesn't like. Unlike the rest of these self-appointed 'libertarians' in the tory party who think that freedom of speech is very much a one-way street that applies to them but nobody else
Sunday’s march
Doooh.
^^ In fairness I thought it was Sunday until yesterday. Lol
ironically, neo-nazi far-right thugs descending onto London in support of Israel.
They couldn't give a flying **** about Israel
Yeah, they aren’t there to support anything, they are there to get drunk and get into a ruck.
Very much this. And look what Suella Braverman has provoked. Before she gave them all the nod that she agrees with them and she's on their side, Tommy and co weren't planning on heading to London, but now....
They are very much all up for a kick off and when they do it will all be on Cruella
https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1722923817532612979?s=20
There are some definite attempts to confuse the matter by the right wing rags.
Happily at least some of the inbreds think its Sunday as well so will be turning up for their fight a day late.
Should be amusing when they try to get close to the Cenotaph to "protect" it from a march, several miles away and a day earlier, and run into the cops protecting the various dignitaries.
Yaxley-Lennon is a long standing supporter of Israel.
The current Israeli coalition government includes cabinet ministers with very similar far-right political views as that of Yaxley-Lennon.
Happily at least some of the inbreds think its Sunday
Oi! That really upset me and my OH. (That happens to be my sister.)
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Yaxley-Lennon is a long standing supporter of Israel.The current Israeli coalition government includes cabinet ministers with very similar far-right political views as that of Yaxley-Lennon.
Definite, "the enemy of my enemy" stuff going on there.
To be fair Yaxley-Lennon is probably a tad more liberal than the Israeli National Security Minister:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/25/world/israeli-minister-racist-claim-intl/index.html
And the Israeli Finance Minister who calls himself a fascist:
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It’s also because the only day that used to matter was Remembrance Sunday, now suddenly Armistice Day has increased in importance.
That's definitely the reason I'm getting confuzzled.
A really good article on the problem Cruella and her ilk by Ian Dunt
The unfathomable bottomless stupidity of Suella Braverman
The Braverman story is about one thing and one thing only. It is that she is a moron. She is stupid in ways that can barely be described with words. She is an object lesson in the death of the human brain. She is an accumulation of dust on the floor of an unused factory. She is a moral imbecile.
That's the real meaning behind that Times piece and it is the only pertinent piece of information we require. Of course Sunak should fire her, but not because of some code or other. He should do it because she is demonstrably intellectually incapable of doing the job.
This is par for the course. Stupidity is not a bar to progress in modern British politics. It is a requirement.
There has been some really dark deals done for Sunak to be PM.
He is so weak that he can't sack the most batshit mental Home Secretary in history.
He is absolutely the worst of the worst.
For me its been the other way round. Armistice day was the most important and only in more recent years has the Sunday become seen to be so key. It was always there but the 11th was the key day. Remembrance sunday was there for those who could not observe the 11th and for the religious
The Armistice, an agreement to end the fighting of the First World War as a prelude to peace negotiations
Hence having the peace march on Saturday - Armistice day. Calling for the guns to fall silent and peace negotiations to start.
only in more recent years has the Sunday become seen to be so key.
Nah, all the fuss concerning Michael Foot's alledged donkey jacket (it wasn't a donkey jacket) happened over 40 years ago on Remembrance Sunday. Remembrance Sunday has always been the big day.
for politicians maybe. Maybe the emphasis was different in different places or maybe my atheist upbringing but the 11th has always been the day to member - even at school and in all my workplaces. Everything stops for the silence on the 11th. the Sunday was not observed in the same way at all.
NW England, remembrance Sunday was the biggie. As a child there was no real nod towards Armistice Day. C of E primary schools, state secondary school.
Entirely the opposite to TJ for me.
When I was in the Cadets at school, it was the Remembrance Sunday. Full parade, church service.
The actual 11th was rarely mentioned, certainly didn't get a 2min silence during lessons or anything.
Not in my experience.
The focus has always been on Remembrance Sunday.
Armistice Day was always recognised but only in recent years has it been more recognised publicly.
Both days are, IMO, hugely important so...let's just leave it that.
As for braverman - a taste of what's to come from the tory party.
She should have been removed as soon as it was clear she had ignored the No 10 press office - and, by extension, sunak.
When spineless sunak eventually removes her there should be an accompanying statement comprehensively rejecting her comments.
That won't happen.
sunak is pathetically weak; a moral vacuum; has no 'political instinct' and is either a brilliant or piss poor judge of character.
The sooner he pisses off to count his money, the better.
My recollection was that the Sunday was the big day. No silences on the 11th until relatively recently (early 21st century).
As for the confusion, a lesson in propaganda. We are constantly told that it would disrupt a ceremony and pass by the Whitehall cenotaph. Tell a lie, tell it often, Oh for the days when this sort of behaviour was considered far fetched.
Remembrance Sunday has been the official National day of remembrance since WWII. Renewed focus on the marking of Armistice Day took place in, I think, the 90s, following a campaign by the Sun.
EDIT: Ernie, I am not convinced criticism of the police is a major no no in the Tory party anymore and hasn't been for some time - Theresa May made a speech at the Police Federation when Home Secretary that was pretty scathing.
for politicians maybe. Maybe the emphasis was different in different places or maybe my atheist upbringing but the 11th has always been the day to member – even at school and in all my workplaces. Everything stops for the silence on the 11th. the Sunday was not observed in the same way at all.
Even when deployed (where safe & appropriate) the 11th and the silence is observed by (almost) all members of HM Armed Forces.
Sunday is a huge day within, I'm glad I no longer have to try and stand on parade holding a weapon while someone reads out the Regimental Operational Honour Roll though.
In other news I got questioned as to where my poppy was today by one of these new breed 'patriots', that was a fun conversation.
Interesting folks thoughts about which day to observe. At school it was always the 11th and a silence and thats back in the 70s and usually noted at my work as well (often 'cos I prompted it 🙂 ) I have never taken note of the sunday. I always considered that a religious thing
My recollection is that the two minutes of silence is relatively recent, because there wasn’t the prevalence of national radio networks to allow the transmission of the striking of Big Ben and the gun salute.
Remembrance Sunday has been observed in Commonwealth member states since 1919. Remembrance Day evolved out of Armistice Day, which was initially observed at Buckingham Palace during the evening of November 10 1919 when King George V hosted a banquet in honour of the President of the French Republic - the first official Armistice Day was held the following morning in the grounds of Buckingham Palace.
