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I fail to see the link to race in that case. ethnicity is defined in that case as geographical point or country of origin linked with culture (language). I might be getting too fine with definition but from a scientific view point it is almost non existent as we are all genetically the same. It is the cultures & geography that separates us. Take these away what have you got, people.
Privacy and secrecy two different things. Actions of Snowden have made secrecy quantifiable easier for terrorists. Whilst the professionals already knew how to encrypt etc., the idiot lone wolfs didn't to the same extent, now they know everything, and we are clearly more at risk.
Now that our non elected representatives at Facebook and google have decided to unilaterally encrypt everything, I'm guessing our security services are hamstrung from an intercept perspective. Again, we are more at risk.
All for what? We've never had secrecy as a human right - we give it up to belong to the societal construct we live in, in return for a level of collective security.
You are broadly correct that it is a balancing act to be played between the two positions and as society we need a debate on this
it can be argued that unless you have something to hide you have nothing to fear
It can but it lacks nuance 😉
Anyone who asks for privacy has something to hide but we also have a right to privacy. We do not need to tell everyone everything about us and share it ALL with the state. I have nothing to hide but that does not mean I do not want to protect my privacy
I dount anyone on here wil post up their name, address, mobile phone number, and place of work for example. The real question is how much should we be allowed to hide from the state spying/snooping/protecting us?
I dont know either tbh
we give it up
Yes we give it up but in this case they are taking it from us without consent.
They did not even say what they were doing and the legality of some of is dubious
We need to have a pragmatic debate. Either we are happy for "the state" to monitor more communications to improve the chances of them catching potential terrorists, and it can be argued that unless you have something to hide you have nothing to fear, OR we preserve our freedoms, such as they are, and accept that there is a greater risk of an attack succeeding, in which case, the media and the public and the bereaved need to MTFU and not have a witch hunt to find out why MI5 failed to protect us.This. What we should not do is expect to be 100% safe, yet bind the hands of those who seek to protect us. That's just nonsensical. Personally, I couldn't care less who sees who I'm sending emails to, calling etc etc and I don't really feel that allowing organisations to see this for the sake of my safety a restriction on my liberties or giving in to those who want to harm us. However, that is just my view and completely accept that others will have a problem with that.
I doubt anyone on here wil post up their name, address, mobile phone number, and place of work for example.Except allowing the security services to see who you have been sending emails to/calling etc is not the same as releasing this info into the public domain. I think a lot of people are worried that allowing the security services to see this info makes it available to everyone, when it doesn't.
You're right in saying that "the real question is how much should we be allowed to hide from the state spying/snooping/protecting us". Like you, I don't know the answer either.
Is the occupation of the driver of any relevance, would it have been so un acceptable if he was wearing a suit and had a ukip badge on.
The chip shop owner was so inflamed at your outburst he went out back and battered some fish.
I once sat in a bar with about 8 random folk. We were waiting for a bus so popped in for a quick pint. F1 was on the telly on a Sunday evening and Lewis was about to win his first world title. Pissed individual was screaming at the telly die you black **** etc etc, if I recall I think there was confusion over whether he'd won initially. At this point said specimen was revelling in the "black ****s" demise.
It was at this point I bit. I went a bit far to be fair but in the ensuing melee it was discovered that Lewis had actually won and no more actions/words were needed.
What galled the most was the barmaid suggested "it's like that all the time in here" 🙄
Nearly two pages and no one has done a 'fish/battered' gag?
I'm not angry, just very, very disappointed.
Edit - just noticed the post at the top of the page - well done, carry on etc......
easygirl - Member
What do we do, just keep saying "it's not all muslims, only a few radicals" , then wait for the next massacre to happen.
Eh? But it is not all muslims and is only a few "radicals".
Crazy (non-muslim) american school/college pupils have a disconcerting habit of going on the rampage with automatic weapons killing innocent people. Its not all american children, but do we just wait for the next massacre to happen?
Or at least get the security services to start monitoring some of these nutters rather than dicking about in sports cars and speedboats all the time.
I think perhaps you have been watching too many movies.
I think there are a number of sacred spaces for racist ranting, which include:
chip shops, the regulars side of a locals pub, a black cab, the central line on a boozy Thursday evening.
I have never heard anything remotely racist spoken outside of those spaces.
Or at least get the security services to start monitoring some of these nutters
I think you'll find that resources are the problem with that statement. How can you monitor "everything"? It's not that straight forward, bad guys can hide quite easily. You have TOR, Linux distros like 'Whonix' and 'Tails'. Believe it or not, it's not like the movies.
it can be argued that unless you have something to hide you have nothing to fear
It can, but at best this is a very much an oversimplification, and at worst disingenuous.
Next time you're enjoying some sexytimes with a lady (gentleman, poodle, whatever), can I come round and watch? Maybe do a video for YouTube? If you've nothing to hide...
I'm not sure what the solution is, but I have little doubt that it's a difficult balancing act to get right.
Download the Lightbeam extension to Firefox and you'll see it's the ad-men you need to be afraid of, not the government 😆
There are some very real dangers from the state having access to your private information.
The idea that it is fine and dandy stems from a naive belief in the state's fundamental goodness.
But just a cursory look at the history of the UK (or any) government and its numerous mistakes, some benign, others malignant, should tell you the state is not to be trusted.
Even some traditional conservatives like Max Hastings are calling for greater surveillance powers for the state. It is often in the hysterical reaction to an event that the long-term policy mistakes are made.
it's the ad-men you need to be afraid of,
Damn Tesco and their insidious habit of sending me discounts for things that I actually want to buy.
Damn Tesco and their insidious habit of sending me discounts for things that I actually want to buy.
Perhaps we should issue all terrorists with loyalty cards and let the supermarkets monitor their preferences.
Yeah! With a bit of luck they might drop them in getaway cars. Is there nothing STW can't fix?
Is the occupation of the driver of any relevance
Only in that he'd just got back from a run to Bradford.
Speaking as a Bradford local - he's lucky to have made it out alive. The driving standards are legendarily awful.
My wife suggested I should have said "when I lived in Bradford I found the diverse ethnic mix the best thing about the city " rather than " shut up you racist idiot".
neil the wheel - Member
Don't know what the offending guy said but might also be worth pointing out the obvious here..religion isn't raceHe said the place was "full of ****s and muslims. I felt like running em all over."
POSTED 3 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
The thing that surprises me the most about the van driver is that is seems to be news to him that there is a significant population of British Asians in Bradford. So either he had led a very cloistered existence up until then, or he was just a prick doing what pricks do best.
My money is on the latter.
I'm not sure what the solution is
Secret webcams cougar that way they will never know 😉
You should have battered the tosser OP.
Yep, and told him that there's a time and a plaice for views like that and he shouldn't have such a chip on his shoulder (applying some cod psychology). I mean, frittering his life away being angry.
Gets coat. Moves towards exit.
It's all freedom of speech, he aired his opinion and you voiced an opposite opinion...a nice robust debate, all good stuff....if no physical contact was made then i dont have a problem with either party involved in this incident.
(the choice language in public is not good however, it makes you both look a bit thick).
Well done to the OP.
7/7 - the alleged perpetrators were more likely just patsies btw.
😆 well you can rest easy knowing that deviant doesn't have a problem with your account of the event
7/7 - the alleged perpetrators were more likely just patsies btw.
Oh FFS. Are you jivehoneybunny in disguise ?
You should have battered the tosser OP.
Then stuck his head in the deep fat fryer!
([i]Spooks[/i] reference there...) 😉
With reference to the debate about privacy and the monitoring of private communications, I read this particular quotation by Aldous Huxley earlier this evening:
“Eternal vigilance is not only the price of liberty; eternal vigilance is the price of human decency.”
This absolutely true, and should be universally recognised, but should not come at the expense of a loss of a right to privacy.
Snowden has done incalculable damage in releasing the information he has, by giving terrorists and jihadists details of how they were being monitored and how to go about avoiding it, and should be roundly denounced for it.
In my humble opinion, of course. 😀
You should have battered the tosser OP.
I thought it was was only in the north east that people go into chipshops asking for scraps.
mmmm pasties. Who knew racism could make you so hungy7/7 - the alleged perpetrators were more likely just patsies btw.