No Marcus Rashford? I know he's getting a special award, but still.... is disappoint. 🙁
And no room for Jonathan Rae? Still, no one ever agrees on who should or shouldn't be on the list, or for that matter what constitutes sport.
5-1 fellas to ladies too, seems a bit off.
And no room for Jonathan Rae?
Never heard of him - I had to google who he was! 🙂
What about Jonathan Pie?
Never heard of him – I had to google who he was
He’s a physicist according to Google.
Should have been Marcus Rashford.
What no Andy Murray 😉
Shirley its a shoe in for Lewis. Broken or equalled every record in his sport and has stood strong on social issues too.
Lewis? it's not even a sport! Jonathan Pie before Jonathan Rae.
How the f is Tyson Fury in there with some of the derogatory he's made in the past?
Some examples might include...
"a woman’s best place is in the kitchen and on her back"
Claiming 'that he would hang his sister if he deemed her to be promiscuous'
Likening 'homosexuality to peadophilia'
Compared 'the existence of transgender people to the practice of bestiality, claiming sexual relations with animals would be legalised within 10 years'
to note just a few.
Should have been Marcus Rashford.
It's for sporting achievement, not charity work - and let's be honest Man Utd ain't winning anything for a long time to come! 🙂
Lewis should walk this for 3 reasons:
Record-breaking results and can win more.
His stance on BLM and actively campaigning.
F1 is one of the few sports to have managed a near-full season this year so has been in the papers and on the news.
I'd put Jordan Henderson as second favourite though as Liverpool fans will be out in their droves.
It’s for sporting achievement, not charity work
It's Sports Personality, not Sports Successful Person.
Slim pickings this year!
Jordan Henderson??? Eh? I can perhaps give liverpool team of the year but as an individual award?
Tyson fury..great boxer, and a big personality, but he's only fought once this year
Lewis Hamilton..the best driver in a 2 horse race..hope he doesn't win as I can't stand the prick
Ronnie O'Sullivan- serial complainer but possibly deserves it by default
Stuart broad..don't follow cricket, what stand out achievement has he had this year?
Hollie Doyle- never heard of her
So after all that complaining, who would i have instead? It's a terrible programme at the best of times, so given how rubbish sport has been this year I'd have probably cancelled it.
Anyhow that's my contribution to the thread..😂
It’s Sports Personality, not Sports Successful Person.
Have you seen the list of past winners!! 🙂
tpbiker
Lewis Hamilton..the best driver in a 2 horse race..hope he doesn’t win as I can’t stand the prick
@tpbiker - Why is Lewis Hamilton a prick?
Do you even watch F1? He's been amazingly articulate on how race affects sport this year, has been fun to watch on track and quite charming on Instagram. Why is he a "prick"?
Is it because he doesn't hide his feelings well when things don't go his way? That's not a flaw, that's far more human and interesting to me that those who smooth it over to appear presentable to the media.
It would appear that Hamilton has forgiven Mercedes & Hugo Boss for using slave labour during WW2, I mean he must have, either that or he's a massive hypocrite. If he felt so strongly he wouldn't drive for Mercedes or even wear anything with Hugo Boss written on it.
Still, money over conscience eh?
http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/27844
It’s Sports Personality, not Sports Successful Person.
That's what I always thought, so how the hell did Murray win it?
It’s Sports Personality, not Sports Successful Person.
Every. Single. Year.
Anyhow that’s my contribution to the thread..😂
It would appear that Hamilton has forgiven Mercedes & Hugo Boss for using slave labour during WW2, I mean he must have, either that or he’s a massive hypocrite. If he felt so strongly he wouldn’t drive for Mercedes or even wear anything with Hugo Boss written on it.
Still, money over conscience eh?
Are you shitting us!!!?
You could dredge up all sorts of unethical stuff about companies if you go back 80 years!
It would appear that Hamilton has forgiven Mercedes & Hugo Boss for using slave labour during WW2, I mean he must have, either that or he’s a massive hypocrite. If he felt so strongly he wouldn’t drive for Mercedes or even wear anything with Hugo Boss written on it.
Still, money over conscience eh?
How charming that you hold Lewis to different standards than anyone else who's ever worked with or driven for Mercedes, by virtue of his efforts to strive for equality. You'd be much happier if he kept his mouth shut about things that make you uncomfortable, right?
Why is Lewis Hamilton a prick?
Numerous reasons imo. I'm not interested in getting into a debate about them however..
Do you even watch F1?
Occasionally, although it's very dull. His ability in a race car is neither here not there to me however.
Why does this forum continually mess up the quote function..!!😁
IMO anyone who lives ion a tax haven are complete hypocrites when spouting off about equality. Creating change needs the richest people to step up and contribute more than words, they need to shoulder the tax burden of the society they feed off, otherwise they are just parasites.
Jordan Henderson is a better footballer than many give credit for, but is still only the 5th or 6th best player in his team, and he has no personality, but doesn't even lean into it as a joke like James Milner does.
Tyson Fury on the other hand is a complex character, I used to hate him with all his antics and hate speech. But he has begun to win me over since his breakdown and comeback, his Joe Rogan podcast was enlightening. I would begrudgingly give the award to him from that list.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-spoty-shortlist-bbc-remove-video-b1765033.html
I said on a friend's FB post that it would have been nice to see someone like Tom Pidcock nominated after the season he's had:
9th at the French Cup MTB XC at Alpe d'Huez,
4th at Transmaurienne Vanoise with 5/5 podiums including 3 stage wins
4th in the Under-23 time trial at the 2020 European Road Championships
Won the Giro Ciclistico d'Italia, including 3 stage wins
Debuted for GB at the Road World Championships in Imola
Won the U23 XC MTB World Cup at Nové Město
Won both the e-MTB World Champs and the U23 XC MTB World Champs in Leogang.
While Fury's openness around his mental health has been good to see, it was basically just one fight that's put him there.
So after all that complaining, who would i have instead?
Jasmin Paris
IMO anyone who lives ion a tax haven are complete hypocrites when spouting off about equality. Creating change needs the richest people to step up and contribute more than words, they need to shoulder the tax burden of the society they feed off, otherwise they are just parasites.
Absolutely 100% this...
IMO anyone who lives ion a tax haven are complete hypocrites when spouting off about equality. Creating change needs the richest people to step up and contribute more than words, they need to shoulder the tax burden of the society they feed off, otherwise they are just parasites.
On that subject, did you know that Lewis Hamilton is one of the UK's top 5000 tax payers, even though he lives mostly elsewhere (and pays tax there, too)? Good on him.
There are still people that think this is about personality? 🙄
On that subject, did you know that Lewis Hamilton is one of the UK’s top 5000 tax payers, even though he lives mostly elsewhere (and pays tax there, too)? Good on him
Good on him for deliberately going out his way to avoid his tax responsibilities? When it comes to tax, it's about paying your share as a percentage of what you earn, not the total amount you pay.
Good on him for deliberately going out his way to avoid his tax responsibilities? When it comes to tax, it’s about paying your share as a percentage of what you earn, not the total amount you pay.
As he doesn't live in the UK full time, nor earn all his money here, it's far from obvious why he should pay all his tax here.
Good on him for deliberately going out his way to avoid his tax responsibilities?
I know haterz gonna etc etc, but how do you reach that conclusion?
For me Jordan Henderson. Captain of a club that’s won its first premiership for 30 years and in England its a bit tougher than Germany and Italy. And the year before the European Cup.
I know haterz gonna etc etc, but how do you reach that conclusion
You really think he'd choose to live in a tax haven for any other reason?
But ignoring that fact, his name also popped up in the paradise papers..
Tax dodgers boil my piss at the best of times, but ones that then start preaching about making society a better place etc etc... hypocrits plain and simple..
You really think he’d choose to live in a tax haven for any other reason?
He lives in a "tax haven" and pays UK tax - as mentioned previously, he's in the top 5000 UK tax payers, even though he doesn't live here. Literally, what more do you want?
Let me see...if money was no object is there any other reason not to live in drizzly, dreary UK other than avoiding tax??? If money were no object would I choose Stevenage or Monaco?? Mmmm that is a tricky one.
I guess these standard then that the many people on this forum who have moved to other countries are still paying their UK taxes or are they all parasites too?
And I noticed a lack of criticism of Sean Connery in the recent RIP thread about his living in a tax haven for most of his time whilst still sticking his beak into UK politics. I guess if you have the right sort of views and politics then being a "tax evader" is OK..,.unless the draw of the exotic, beautiful Bahamas lifestyle offered other benefits to quality of life other than a favourable tax jurasdiction.
I'm no fan of LH and would quite happily partake in some personal insult throwing in his direction, but I don't think you can call him a parasite. Even if he doesn't pay UK taxes, which he wouldn't be legally obligued to do with him not living in the UK, he's made his family rich who live in the UK and pay UK taxes. He's made the F1 team and UK based employees better off and as a result pay more UK taxes. All the high value F1 based and largely UK based supply chains and manufacturers are doing well off the back of LH's success, not to mention all the LH and MB merchandise, advertisements, marketing and knock on industry that LH has generated around him. Yep, the UK tax coffers are hundreds of millions of pounds better off thanks to LH so a parasite he is not.
Anyone with more cricket knowledge than me tell me why Broad is on the list and not Anderson? Didn't Anderson become the leading all time wicket taker for england this year?
Let me see…if money was no object is there any other reason not to live in drizzly, dreary UK other than avoiding tax??? If money were no object would I choose Stevenage or Monaco?? Mmmm that is a tricky one.
A better comparison might be why live in the concrete shithole of Monaco, instead of 5 miles along the French coast?
LH has posted an interesting response to the tax issues. As he correctly states much of his earnings are in other countries and he pays tax on those also in the relevant territories. As others point out as well he pays a fair chunk in the UK also. Probably more than he 'has' to (has as in if he employed a tax specialist with a view to minimising his expenditure with HMRC) as well.
As to whether he lives in Monaco or elsewhere. What with the races themselves, his global travel outside of the calendar, spending time with the folks etc I wonder how much time he actually spends there?
More interestingly it seems Tyson Fury is not a happy bunny about being included and has demanded to be taken off the list.
How the hell did Tyson Fury get nominated? He's a complete bigot and hardly a role model for the kids.
A better comparison might be why live in the concrete shithole of Monaco, instead of 5 miles along the French coast?
Do you think he would pay more UK tax if he lived in Nice?
Jasmin Paris
Not so much this year for her. But i hope they at least do a segment in the program on all the mountain running records which have been broken this year.
Hamilton mainly pays tax in the UK because of the British Grand Prix, all the drivers do, as do golfers at the Open etc. and he is no stranger to a tax scheme.
Broad took 29 wkts at 13.4 against the WI and ****stan, Anderson took 16 at an average 25.5, so they have chosen the outstanding performance, rather career achievement (plus he hit 500 this year)
EDIT: He is also ranked number 2 in the Test Rankings
A better comparison might be why live in the concrete shithole of Monaco, instead of 5 miles along the French coast?
Yeah..odd that isn't it..🤔
I don’t take much notice of celebrity lifestyles but the last “thing” i saw of LH was a picture he posted of him and some friends about to fly off somewhere in his own or a chartered jet.
Sort of my black life matters more than yours type of thing.
