[Closed] So....what would you do with Jihadi John?

Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.

Quit frankly you make me sick.

Well Chip, I empathise with your point of view because as a pseudo semi retired socialist - I'd quite like to see the developing world being given a helping hand in escaping political instability and famine. Etc.

[quote=chip said]I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

problem is that you are just like them as that is what they say about infidels like us. You are both willing to do commit abhominal acts for your beliefs.
as NW notes

You can't stop the next terrorist by executing the last one.

Before I did anything rash, I'd consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I'd also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I'd also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

[b]Given all that research, what do you think I'd find?[/b]

Tom_W1987 - Member
And by rebuilding Chip, I mean that the world needs to be a little bit of a fairer place. Regions and countries who's population have no means of bettering themselves economically and feel no real control over their own lives, have a tendency to breed marxist revolutionaries or religious terrorists.

And that would take regime change in a number of countries...

You can't talk about intervention against ISIS without considering the other players.

Ah Africa fine poverty stricken ,nowt to offer no one gives a shit who's chopping whose kids arms off

Middle east oil to offer it goes mental,

chip - Member
Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.

Quit frankly you make me sick.

Classy move.

Depends on the country Lifer, some of the other softer countries that are more stable can probably be bettered through soft power, trade relations, academic relations and cultural relations....long term stuff similar to what the UN does. Maybe I'm an optimist though.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

[quote=chip said]Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.
Quit frankly you make me sick.

I hear your call who do I have to torture and kill- sorry send to the afterlife- for freedom ?

Quite a bit of oil in Africa

And diamonds

problem is that you are just like them as that is what they say about infidels like us. You are both willing to do commit abhominal acts for your beliefs.
as NW notes

If you believe that you are a div, plain and simple.

Oh how you sway me with your powerful use of logic and reason

Tom_W1987 - Member
Depends on the country Lifer, some of the other softer countries that are more stable can probably be bettered through soft power, trade relations, academic relations and cultural relations....long term stuff similar to what the UN does. Maybe I'm an optimist though.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

The trouble is there is a history of the west going into the region under the guise of modernisation, education, trade deals etc whilst actually fomenting revolutions, coups and fixing elections. And people remember things like that.

Sway nothing, it's the truth, if you believe killing genocidal murderers to save lives of others makes you the same as them you are a div.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

Tom, while I agree in principle, sadly it's within the realm of education that many are radicalised.

If you think they have a logical process the infidel is already on the hit list

Yup, well we need to put that behind us. But I've worked with loads of middle eastern academics and I never once got that feeling from them, they wanted more ties with the west. That's who you have to get on side, the academics, industrialists and the influential.

Tom, while I agree in principle, sadly it's within the realm of education that many are radicalised.

Read British born undergraduates. Haven't heard of any PhD science students being radicalised yet. If a ****stani student hasn't already been radicalised in ****stan they sure as shit aren't going to be here.

& oh so typically STW goes off on a tangent or two. The original OP was, 'So....what would you do with Jihadi John?'

Simple question AFAIC & I've said what I'd like to see happen.

It is not like he thinks that killing westerners will stop us acting there and save the lives of his people. It snot like he thinks Muslims who disagree are divs ....aye your are nothing like him nothing at all.

I would like to see him offer his services to junkyard as a baby sitter and see if he takes him up on his offer.

esselgruntfuttock - Member
& oh so typically STW goes off on a tangent or two. The original OP was, 'So....what would you do with Jihadi John?'

Simple question AFAIC & I've said what I'd like to see happen.

There's a more interesting discussion to be had rather than some torture porn circle jerk. Sorry.

chip - Member
I would like to see him offer his services to junkyard as a baby sitter and see if he takes him up on his offer.

😐

I beleive murderous fruit loops should die,
He believes anyone who does not share his religious ideology should die.

We are exactly the same.

In fact, thinking about it, of all the academicsI've worked with that I'm most fond of, one was an Iraqi bloke, one was a Qatari bloke and one was an Iranian female, who never wore a headscarf.

There's got to be something the academic world can do, some sort of west-east reconciliation program or something.

Well, I'm going to need a drink now so I don't spend the night trying to construct a utopia in my head.

Tom_W1987 - Member
Yup, well we need to put that behind us. But I've worked with loads of middle eastern academics and I never once got that feeling from them, they wanted more ties with the west.

Surely that's a bit of a self selecting group?

Don't get me wrong it would be great, and I don't want to sound like I'm crapping over your view. I think it's just a clash of my pessimism vs your optimism...

I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

And that is exactly their attitude of 'us'.

It's no different. You think you're right. They think they're right. And both parties believe murder is justifiable.

The only way to truly move forward is to understand this behaviour and learn from it.

esselgruntfuttock can you help?

no one answered before - when in the torture porn circle jerk do I stroke the engorged member of my fellow keybord hard nut to the right or the left?

chip

heres a selection for you

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Chip once they get radicalised your the fruit loop

In essence one and the same, the problem comes when the fence sitters and hand wringers don't understand why jihadi john has cultivated enough crop to be sending em back here inside the castle walls

Its moot a few hundred years we will be killing each other for other world resources, probably the Chinese v islamics will be last men standing

Surely that's a bit of a self selecting group?

Don't get me wrong it would be great, and I don't want to sound like I'm crapping over your view. I think it's just a clash of my pessimism vs your optimism...

They probably are a self selecting group but they do tend to end up in high powered jobs back home, so personally I think we should be putting in a lot of effort into creating as much friendly dialogue with them as possible.

We come onto another point of mine which is that I don't think universities do enough in the UK to promote university spirit and intercultural events, a lot of them seem almost segregated.

the fence sitters and hand wringers don't understand

Babysit for my kids is that the level of "debate".

Other players... now there's a term.

Ever stopped to think where IS get their money?

They have come from nowhere to number 1 problem within months.

That doesn't just happen without backing

And no, l don't know who is/are funding them.

But it stinks and think we should limit our exposure to it

I will bet they are also copying the bit of text that suits their arguments needs also

So yes your almost right

You are comparing this sick monster to me, saying our beliefs are the same.
Do you believe he is a sick monster or Isis are a perfectly rational and should be tolerated.

[i]There's a more interesting discussion to be had rather than some torture porn circle jerk. Sorry.[/i]

I answered the OP & I don't have a clue what your'e on about. Sorry.

[i]esselgruntfuttock can you help?[/i]

I answered the OP & I don't have a clue what your'e on about (either). Sorry.

I'll repeat in case you didn't catch it, Kill this crank & his ilk but don't publicise it.

That is my answer to the OP.

Nite.

I struggle to understand how a person can hold so much hate to do this. As has been said, he needs brought to justice, receive a fair trial and if guilty locked away forever. I am sure this is the last thing he wants or expects.

See that Jihadi John Junkyard ? ........ you fancy him you do.

Why don't you marry him ?

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He's your dad he is.

at least I know mine 😉

You are comparing this sick monster to me, saying our beliefs are the same.

I am saying you are both full of hate
I am saying you will both kill the other one for your beliefs
More hate and more killing wont help the situation so your METHODS and response is the same as his

Do you believe he is a sick monster or Isis are a perfectly rational and should be tolerated

You say that, but I bet the fridge is empty when you get home.

Before I did anything rash, I'd consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I'd also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I'd also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

Given all that research, what do you think I'd find?

Another question I'd ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.

He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.

What a stroke of luck!

This clowns not a Muslim.
He's a fruit loop.

Another question I'd ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.

He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.

What a stroke of luck!

It doesn't take a genius or the CIA to kidnap every white person you see until you have a few dozen Americans and Brits, then look up the Nato conference date on your mobile phone.

You say that, but I bet the fridge is empty when you get home.

Errrr

Another question I'd ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.
He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.
What a stroke of luck!

Why hide behind sarcasm.

Just make whatever accusation you are hinting at ?

Why choose selective pieces to quote, whilst avoiding other questions?

Maybe if you were genuinely interested, you'd research these matters for yourself and come up with your own conclusions..

Before I did anything rash, I'd consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I'd also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I'd also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

Given all that research, what do you think I'd find?

That way you'd be better informed, without excessive bias from my perspective.

Unless you need to be told what to think?

you are right he forgot to quote the bit where you quoted yourself and then replied

Now everyone knows I like a good cut and paste but even i draw the line at quoting myself and replying 😛