[Closed] Southern Rail strike - who is right?

The UK voted for a return to the 30's and 70's and have sweet FA to do with Yurope... and I mean ANYTHING. Culture, attitude, aptitude, intellect, shared ownership of industry.

You are right. It has nothing to do with them. One can presume that included with the Brexshit shambles we are going to ignore the best practice and experience of other nations because we know best right?

Denmark and Norway have mandatory workers representation on boards

Finland and the UK do not

Days lost to strike action per 1000 employees 2009-2015

Norway 76
Denmark 69
Finland 50
UK 23

Perhaps the link is not as clear as is sometimes suggested?

No it isn't clear, particularly with the union laws in this country adding to the mix as well.

It's already happened. New contracts come into effect in the new year.

Once again, you're talking about the RMT, not ASLEF.

Once again, you're talking about the RMT, not ASLEF.

Are you saying ASLEF staff are not signing the new contracts? Got a cite for that?

Are you saying ASLEF staff are not signing the new contracts? Got a cite for that?

You are the one making assertions, not me.

You are the one making assertions, not me.

Yup, I'm asserting that staff have accepted the new contracts and citing an article saying that.

Glad, you're not disputing it. It looked like you might have been for a second. If you had been I'm sure you'd have provided evidence.

Train was on time this morning, which was nice.

If the driver is incapacitated or trapped in the cab and the train looses the ability to talk to the signaler, who are you going to call and will you as a passenger know where you are , and what happens in a tunnel with no or little mobile signal, thats why safety trained staff are critical on all services.

SWT made us wait two days ago because train staff had arrived later and needed their break before getting on the train. The guard bought us all some Costas to make up for the delay, which was nice.

"safety trained staff are critical on all services."

In which case their jobs are safe. One more reason why they are being completely unreasonable by taking this action.

outofbreath - Member
"The network at the moment can't support driverless trains, there are too many variables.
If there's no driver who can check if the gates of a user worked crossing have been closed properly if the person crossing doesn't ring back? Or get out to pick up traffic cones/scaffold poles/a dog that has been placed/lost on the line? Or examine the line after report of a track defect? Or follow up on a report of something hanging from a tunnel roof?"

Nothing to do with who opens the doors.

I was responding to your argument for automated trains...

If the driver is incapacitated or trapped in the cab and the train looses the ability to talk to the signaler, who are you going to call and will you as a passenger know where you are , and what happens in a tunnel with no or little mobile signal, thats why safety trained staff are critical on all services

What about the hundreds of trains which currently run without a second member of staff? Are they unsafe then? Are they really "critical", or are they just a nice to have? Lucky it's not being proposed they're done away with.

It's not an issue until it is.

Lifer - Member
It's not an issue until it is.

And from what I have read the risk assessment for driver operating the doors on these old rolling stock on southern shows and increased but unquantified risk - from a very superficial survey.

Is this from the link you posted previously? It also doesn't mention any further steps put in place.

Let's hope this morning all the tosserz turn up for work, only to be confronted by the Public who refuse to let them on the trains.

Or that they've all been handed thier notice, for not turning up to work the previous 3 days without a self cert note covering that period.

Or, perhaps the Public absolutely refuse to acknowledge or interact with the tosserz.

The 70's have arrived, tell your Father it's all fine now.

The traffic through Swanley was insane this morning.

It will be worse tonight.

So glad I cycle to work.