[Closed] Sodding Windows 10.

a mac will do exactly the same.

You'll have received the recent update, which as per nearly all updates finishes off on start up.

I understand your frustration, but I do wonder why everyone cries and moans about Windows updates, but gets a chubby for Mac updates.

Same thing happened on the home PC a couple of days ago. Im told it tool a while to finish off.
The complaining seems to have stopped, so I assume its ok now.

[quote=P-Jay ]I understand your frustration, but I do wonder why everyone cries and moans about Windows updates, but gets a chubby for Mac updates.

Dunno, especially as Apple seems to have given up on OSX/computers.

http://arrival.io/

It does seem to update at the worst possible time and then when it eventually reboots the F&%£ mouse or some other driver has gone missing.

sit tight, it can take anything from 30-90 minutes depending on how crap your PC is.

Think that is the massive anniversary update. Took mine about 90mins on start up. Might as well head out for a coffee/ride/weekly shop etc.

a mac will do exactly the same.

No they don't. Macs only do updates when you authorise them to.

You'll get a notification on the App store icon and you can pick the parts you want to update.

No they don't. Macs only do updates when you authorise them to.

unless you have auto updates turned on. A bit like Windows really.

Linux FTW.

At least the Linux and OSX can do the upgrade in situ, even while bits that are being updated are still running, and not save all the updates to be applied when everything is shut down/restarted.
90 min is excessive. didn't even take that long to install and apply updates in the first place on mine.

edit: and I'm sure all 3 platforms have the ability to either autoinstall or let user choose when and what.

Hopefully the OP is razzing around the woods now on a sneaky ride, safe in the knowledge that no work can happen.

53% complete now. Seriously thinking of buggering off for a ride. Unless the boss (who is on here) reads this, in which case the reason I'm not answering the phone is because I'm busy filing invoices or something...

My laptop did the update a few days ago, took an age so went out for a bit while it did it's thing. Now the right hand mouse button no longer works and it doesn't recognise the printer.

It's like they're trying to get me to buy a new computer 😐

I don't get the moaning, if you dont like it turn automatic updates off and update when it suits you.
Thevrecent update was a big one so it does take a while.

FWIW, my PC updated a couple of days ago. Other than some slight changes to the "Start" menu I've not noticed any difference.

a mac will do exactly the same

No it won't mac's download updates in the background, many don't need a restart amd those that do take just a few minutes. The annual Operating System new version update (optional) can takenanwhile tonfldownload but thats easy to do overnight.

Good luck OP hopefully your printer/scanner will still work

the anniversary update was/is not optional

yes it will lose some important driver or other
yes it will default a load of settings that you have carefully tuned over the recent months
yes it will add everything to its startup list
yes the boot time will increase significantly

yes you can roll it back if it really mangles your machine - but only within 10days of the update.

yes it will lose some important driver or other
yes it will default a load of settings that you have carefully tuned over the recent months
yes it will add everything to its startup list
yes the boot time will increase significantly

Thats the benefits of windows, right there.

Every update our windows machine did, fekked it up, little by little.. thats why Msreickmeister insisted on a new Windows 10 machine.... and whats just happened ... ?

I've possibly been a bit slow on the uptake, but I now foresee a problem in a couple of years time where Windows forces the latest features onto creaky old laptops making them unusable before their time.

Where we would/could have hung onto Windows XP/Vista/7/8 indefinitely (albeit insecurely) people will either have to move to Linux or (probably more likely) bin their laptop.

With my conspiracy hat on... Has an planned side-effect of the free Windows 10 been a ruse to revive flagging PC sales of recent years (Where MS make money from PC manufacturers from licensing)?

EDIT: For the record - I hate having forced updates. While it may make sense for most novice/every-day users, I personally find it a right pain in the arse.

Well, an hour later and I'm finally able to do some work. Yay....

I can't remember the last time I did a hard shutdown of a laptop (other than to choose to do so for update reasons).

If you go to the Update settings, you can set Active Hours. Windows Update won't auto restart during Active Hours. You can also go to Advanced Options and check "Use my sign in to automatically setting up my device after an update."

If you set those correctly and leave your machine running overnight, when you come back in the morning, it will be all ready to go.

mac's download updates in the background, many don't need a restart amd those that do take just a few minutes. The annual Operating System new version update (optional) can takenanwhile tonfldownload but thats easy to do overnight.

This is basically the same as Windows, except the OS is updated twice a year these days.

i dont want to leave my netbook plugged in and 'on' all the time

having rolled back to the prev build, what do i need to do to ensure it doesnt f***update itself again?

I'm sure there's several settings for Windows updates - something along the lines of:

- update automatically
- download updates & notify when ready to be installed
- don't do anything with updates unless I tell you to

Just fiddle with the settings until you find one that suits your requirements.....

There was a thread just yesterday (or maybe the day before) about how to update the W10 auto-update settings.

Great. Excel is no longer working...

a mac will do exactly the same.

No it won't. It'll download the updates without you noticing then ask you when you'd like them installed. I let mine do it overnight so the worst I have to do is a restart.

No it won't mac's download updates in the background, many don't need a restart amd those that do take just a few minutes.

Most Windows updates do that too. The ones that don't need a restart, you don't notice them do you?

No it won't. It'll download the updates without you noticing then ask you when you'd like them installed.

Same as Windows - except it's not the default.

No it won't.

it will! Just like in windows, there are settings to make it behave differently as to how you want it to....

Is it just [i]THE[/i] thing to do, moan about microsoft and their products?

Is it just THE thing to do, moan about microsoft and their products?

yup.

though when applied to their phones is entirely valid 🙂

though when applied to their phones is entirely valid

You know, I had a nokia a few years ago running WP and never had any bother, did everything i wanted it too. Much better than this Samsung piece of shit that i've got now!

Only when it makes my life harder. I resent having to bugger about with settings just to stop it doing things when I want rather than when they want. Got better things to do with my Friday than faff for ages after waiting for an hour that I was going to be spent on swearing at Gantt charts... Computers don't play a massive part in my job, so it's not something I do every day. Think I'd rather be on site with the guys lifting 60kg light units 70m up the side of a tower. Rigging a 3:1 hauling system and tight line 6 times would be so much easier than this...

Windows allows shut down or shut down and install if configured. Otherwise just hit shutdown and walk away or for a laptop close the lid, what's the problem?

Windows allows shut down or shut down and install if configured. Otherwise just hit shutdown and walk away or for a laptop close the lid, what's the problem?

Win 10 AU still waits for each person to login before doing it's post-install actions.

But the fundamental problem is that Microsoft can and do break things without telling you first or giving the option to opt-out. Win 10 is different to all previous versions in this regard.

Win 10 AU still waits for each person to login before doing it's post-install actions.

That's a setting you can change (it'll log you in, update and log out again). It doesn't do it by default for security reasons.

Yesterday morning I set up our PC at home all logged in and ready to buy some tickets when they went on sale at 9am (Iron Maiden since you ask). So I take our kids to school and rush back *just* in time to get the tickets at 9am and...

Yep - it had decided it was time to start doing an update and it was 4% in to what it said could be a long wait.

FFS

Anyway, fortunately I had my Mac in my work bag, quickly opened it up and logged on. One minute later and I had my tickets.

I hate PCs and Windows in particular.

Don't use them then.

I don't get this wah wah Linux / Mac / Windows argument. Pick your format, no-one has a gun to your head.

Depends on your software requirements, Shirley

I'd just like to say thanks for the PSA. Saw all the moaning and so turned on the PC to let it do its thing. By the time I was ready it was done. Most of the time through I'm time crunched and so can see where the OP is coming from.

I've possibly been a bit slow on the uptake, but I now foresee a problem in a couple of years time where Windows forces the latest features onto creaky old laptops making them unusable before their time.

You're slow, it runs on my ancient Inspiron 9300.

Though now you mention it...

I've possibly been a bit slow on the uptake, but I now foresee a problem in a couple of years time where Apple forces the latest features onto perfectly capable older iPads making them unusable before their time.

Learn from the best!

http://arrival.io/
- LOL Thunderbolt! I forgot that was even a thing.

Aside; my bro used to use an apple laptop to interface with his sound desk. One day he gets an update, and discovers that it'll no longer connect to the desk. He speaks to Apple and they tell him that yes, the latest update means he can no longer connect to external hardware using that type of cable, he'll need to get a new, genuine cable. He says, where can I get this genuine cable? Apple say, oh, we don't make one. OK, how do I roll back the update? You can't. This of course is an Apple feature, protecting your enjoyment of your iproduct.

(I think he got it going again with a dodgy image off the internet and by disabling updates)

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a mac will do exactly the same.
No they don't. Macs only do updates when you authorise them to.

You'll get a notification on the App store icon and you can pick the parts you want to update