[Closed] Slight moral dilemma

You could get an iPod for that money, better sound quality than records and you dint have to keep the vinyl! 👿

TBH the value is irrelevant in my book. I'm not interested in your financial circumstances, as far as I'm aware you have fancy kit, you can afford it. Put it through the insurance and be done, but wait, you do have insurance, don't you?

Tosh! That's an extremely narrow-minded view - you don't judge folk on what they spend their money on.

Why should the OP be saddled with higher insurance premiums?

DS +1

You invite people in. You take the consequences with good grace, or you have no friends Sinple politeness as a host. The worst thing you can do is make her feel guilty. You won't get the money and you won't keep a friend.

I own a somewhat valuable painting. I adore it. Guests enjoy it too. I don't let them take to it with their crayons, however.

If it was that valuable, you should not have let your guests "play with it" in such a way as to break it.

as far as I'm aware you have fancy kit, you can afford

rubbish, I have lots of stuff I can't afford 🙂
I think asking for a contribution, letting her know the full price would be reasonable, but I'd have a number in mind that you would be willing to accept (min and max)

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Its one with no obvious right answer to me.

I bust a pair of expensive sunglasses belonging to a pal - I paid for them to be repaired.

As I said before - see if she can claim on here insurance - personal liability

Is that a £500 stylus Jimmers?

Why should the OP be saddled with higher insurance premiums?

£500 ins't actually a lot of cash for a halfway decent stylus these days.

due to the number of decks being sold, parts like these go up anually by a lot more than inflation. I have Linn lp12, its over 2 decades old now, but I paid £700 second hand for it. A new one would be a couple of thousand. The cartidge/stylus I had on it I can't get anymore (A Linn k9 if anyones got a new boxed one under the bed). To get anything like it now is £300 minimum, yet I recall when they were being cranked out for £59.

They are delicate and she is a silly tart for smashing it up, but it was an accident. I can't believe that the stylus can't be replaced, no need for a whole new cartidge? Or are AT33's built so they can't be repaired?

@DD

That's [url= http://www.eu.audio-technica.com/en/products/product.asp?catID=6&subID=42&prodID=4071 ][i]the[/i][/url] stylus/cart in question.

Because the insurance covers accidental damage and the damage was done accidently?
Irrelevant anyway as I've just re-read and the OP doesn't have insurance, just an expensive lesson.

It's very much a moral situation here and one I would not like to be in.

Ah right, read down through but didn't see the post where he described it. Is it heated?

E-mail: Service&Repair@audio-technica-europe.com

It's very much a moral situation here and one I would not like to be in.

Is it heated?

Beaucoup de lollage.

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Sure none of these parts can be serviced?

What's your friend's income like? If they can afford it...let them! But only if they were completely aware of what to/what not to do with said object.

I lent a friend a camera, she took ages to give it back and it emerged she had broken it. She offered to repair/replace/pay for a service. She was also a couple of months pregnant and not too wealthy.

I looked into a service and it was a write off. She reminded me of her offer, but each time she did she was getting bigger. Eventually her partner (who I think is the one who f*cked it) helped rip out a kitchen and it was said to be quits. I think a friend would help regardless but there you are.

I personally would have replaced the camera [i]and[/i] done the kitchen in my situation.

If I broke your ridiculously expensive stylus, I would feel compelled to replace it.

I now don't lend expensive stuff out as I don't want to be in the situation again. Which I dislike, but it feels necessary.

1) are you sure it's not repairable?

2) rather than ask then right out for £500, ask if their home insurance would cover it maybe?

3) If none of the above, have a look [url= http://www.richersounds.com/products/hi-fi-separates/separates/cd-players-recorders-dacs ]here[/url] for a cheaper replacement perhaps.

I had a record player and theres no way you could break the stylus by 'getting a bit too close', even if you did there was a catch on the arm so you couldn't knock it off the stand.
If it was me i'd be gutted, but i'd suck it up. Its a luxury item, id rather have the friend.
Shame tho, sorry.

Maybe you could settle on having a acouple of goes on her. Seems to be a balance, she ****ed your needle now you **** her with your needle

It shouldn't be and the OP should just suck it up and learn from the experience. Not complicated and no dilemma.

By both parties meeting halfway, it will ensure a friendship is not damaged beyond repair, pardon the pun.

[i]she is a silly tart for smashing it up[/i]

What a bizarre thing to say, I take it you don't have many female friends.

What's broken btw?

Just be honest and say

if £500 matters to you, i.e. its not a drop in the ocean, then your a complete mug for paying that much in the first place, considering the quality difference over a £50 stylus is minimal!

A mate of mine lost my prescription Oakleys, ca. £400 to replace. I know he can't afford to buy me a new pair, and neither can I. Was ages ago, I've just accepted it's part of life, some you win, some you lose. 🙁

He's still a mate, which is far more important really.

She broke it, she pays. Simple as.

[i]*insert hindsight based comment here* [/i]

Yeah, she could pay like that but it'd take quite a few visits before I felt I'd got my 500 quid back.

riding in sedbergh once with haddock off here, I unlocked the bikes on the roof rack, but in taking one off, the other fell and swung down smashing his door in. it was still fastened at the tyres you see.

the pedal put one huge dint, and the handlebar another. entirely my fault. I offered to pay full immediately, thinking it'd be about £80-100 quid. it wasn't. it came up at about £450. I still offered to pay, but he went halves, stating 'accidents happen'.

I'd tell her the cost and see what she says.

I don't get it. You can afford to spend £500 on a stylus, but then your too tight to pay for insurance that adequately covers you. Ie you went for a high excess to lower your premium.

Pay for it yourself and at insurance renewal set your excess at a realistic level.... or sell equipment you can't afford to replace....

This may be the only time I ever type this:

Elfin +1

How about one that costs ten times the amount:

The Koetsu Jade Platinum:

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Every hobby has it's high end where the prrices seem ludicrous to anyone outside of that world. Bikes are no different.

The only really ridiculous thing is people commenting how ridiculous it is to spend that much on an 'x'.

I feel pretty sorry for the OP, it isn't a nice situation to be in. I don't have a lot of sympathy for all the posters who are expressing incredulity/jealousy at the concept of a £500 stylus (on a mountain bike forum? Who do you think you are kidding?). And as for the people who think the OP should have been supervising his visitors more closely, I hope I never have to endure your hospitality.
A similar thing happened to me but not quite as painful. A visitor broke my £120 stylus - they have never even seen a record deck up close before and had no idea how fragile they are. I bought another one and didn't even mention it to her.
In summary, sh*t happens, and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

The only really ridiculous thing is people commenting how ridiculous it is to spend that much on an 'x'.

Could it have been weakened already through wear and tear? If its relatively new speak to the manufacturer IF the nudge etc was minor?

Did she 'drop' the arm down causing the damage?

force her onto the street until she's earned enough money (with pimp tax, or 'interest' as the banks call it) to pay you back. then sue her for emotional damages and loss of earnings.

...only £325 on [url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/items/__audio+technica+at33ev_W0QQ_dmdZ2?tm_kw=audio+technica+at33ev ]ebay[/url]

...only £325

I've decided to suck it up. On reflection overnight I've decided that shit happens and I can get an OK replacement for £175 which is fine.

It's the price of it that's causing all the dilemma isn't it? I mean if it was £20 you'd have no problem asking her, and she's have no problem paying it.

You have to decide weather you want her to make a serious contribution, and perhaps have her resent you, or weather a part payment is enough to "heal" the situation, and then you have to shrug and say "shit happens, and I may very well have dropped it, or broken it myself"

Very honourable, I think you've done the right thing.

I think you've done the right thing.

And maybe consider dropping your insurance accidental damage excess to a level where you can actually afford to use that part of your cover?

Yes you have done the right thing.

We were at friends for dinner some years ago, our son was 5 years old and sitting on the floor colouring in. The couple don't have kids so the house reflects that. They had a white linen sofa. Anyway when we came home the female phoned and said, 'could you tell me what the ink is in your sons pens as there's a mark on our sofa', eh there just normal pens. He didn't have a pen near the sofa but it must have come off his hands.
Anyway we offered to pay to get it dry cleaned, they accepted, we gave them £65, I've never considered them as friends since.

Had it been me I wouldn't even have mentioned it and just got the thing cleaned.

You can get some of these stickers to put on your hifi rack to prevent any future occurrence 😀

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how does someone who spends £500 on a pickup get to use it then?

I once broke a friends lawnmower something got stuck in it and popped the motor, I bought him a new one without a murmur and still regard him as a friend. It's funny how we all have a different view on personal responsibility.

As for the cost of a cartridge, in the context of my record collection and the system it's in I get a lot of usage and pleasure out of it so that justifies the expense although lesson learned here TBH.

Anyway we offered to pay to get it dry cleaned, they accepted, we gave them £65, I've never considered them as friends since.

Why would you make someone an offer where acceptance offends? Was it that hard to be honest and say that the actions of your child aren't your responsibility?

I've lent stuff out in the past and it's been returned damaged, albeit accidentally. I'd hope for an apology and an offer of assistance to rectify the situation, because that's what I'd do. The circumstances would dictate if I accepted the offer or not.