[Closed] Sky contract up - Kodi worth considering?

I've no interest in the slightest in 4k tbh. don't really see the point.

That's fine. It's usually the people that don't want to pay that have no interested in things being better quality. Which is why you have a choice. You can have SD if you want?

However none of this gives you the right to take things without permission.

I will be round to yours tonight to get some of your free content.

Elaborate a little as I haven't got your line of thought.

Pirate videos were going to end the movie industry as no one would pay anymore and quality didn't matter.

What more detail do you need? I'd have thought context obvious.

Not at all.

We all know Streaming and Downloading are transport mechanisms and can't be considered illegal or legal or whatever without context.

So it doesn't make any sense.

Do you mean S/D without permission - with permission? Purchased stuff, pirated stuff, your own stuff? Iplayer? GoldenMP3? Netflix? What do you mean?

Pirate videos were going to end the movie industry as no one would pay anymore and quality didn't matter.

I'm sure it affected revenue. No doubt about it.

1080p is just fine, thank you.

rone - Member
What more detail do you need? I'd have thought context obvious.
Not at all.

We all know Streaming and Downloading are transport mechanisms and can't be considered illegal or legal or whatever without context.

So it doesn't make any sense.

Do you mean S/D without permission - with permission? Purchased stuff, pirated stuff, your own stuff? Iplayer? GoldenMP3? Netflix? What do you mean?

You're being a bit overly anal here are you not?

I'll leave you to figure it out. It's not particularly difficult if you try.

You're being a bit overly anal here are you not?

I'll leave you to figure it out. It's not particularly difficult if you try

No, you're being vague.

I'm asking you to make a distinction between 'Downloading and Streaming' and 'Downloading and Streaming material without the owners permission'. As the difference is massive.

When you come on here asking for someone to prove something is illegal - without the correct context - I would've thought that you were conversant in your statement. I thought it was worth challenging.

jebus. I'm oot! 😆 I'd have thought it blinking obvious, I ment without permission, given the content of the thread.

seosamh77 - Member
I'm still waiting for someone to show me proof that streaming and downloading is illegal.

mikewsmith - Member
Try immoral or the law is catching up. Defending via technicalities is lame though, why do you deserve free content?

Because I can. I've given that answer before, many time.

Whether you think that is immoral, up to yourself. I don't think it is.

Morality is open to interpretation. Neither does law = morality.

You are obtaining something that has been pirated, the content you are watching is being provided via means that breach the copyright of that material, the delivery mechanism allows for ambiguity in the law. Like going down the out of calibration speed camera when you knew you were speeding etc. If it was made an offence tomorrow would it stop you? Or just take away your defense?
So how should the content maker be paid and pay their staff in your model? The advertising model leads us to itv really which isn't somethwto aspire to.

He doesn't make any sense. He asking for proof of something that is not illegal in itself. He didn't provide any context as to what he was downloading/streaming.

What he means if downloading/stream without permission. Which can be. No shadow of a doubt.

I don't think he understands the technicalities.

If a site that you get the download from isn't authorised by the copyright owners. It's illegal. End of.

("makes available or facilitates the availability” of rights-owners’ content without their permission is unlawful.)

The advertising model leads us to itv really which isn't somethwto aspire to.

Exactly. Worse than being shot.

Simple fact is that the online world and saturated media has devalued content, it's not worth what it once was. So trying to cling to these models is futile.

Supply and demand.

rone - Member
If a site that you get the download from isn't authorised by the copyright owners. It's illegal. End of.

Yip, I agree with that statement 100%.

I'm pretty certain it's you that doesn't understand the technicalities.

Still doesn't prove what I'm doing is illegal.

Simple fact is that the online world and saturated media has devalued content, it's not worth what it once was.

Supply and demand.

You're talking about the black market though.

Clearly there is a market in the general sense of the world otherwise Netflix et al wouldn't be expanding in the way they do.

It's funny, back in VHS times I would've agreed to an extent as the quality was shit - but now it's fantastic and worth paying for.

I'm pretty certain it's you that doesn't understand the technicalities.

Okay I will give you a clue. I work in these realms.

We deal with licensing most days.

Let's leave it at that.

Still doesn't prove what I'm doing is illegal.

What are you doing though? We don't know.

crack on, pay for both of us all you like! 😆

rone - Member
Still doesn't prove what I'm doing is illegal.
What are you doing though? We don't know.

Are you being deliberately dim?

I'm downloading/streaming(well streaming, I gave up downloading years ago) from illegal sites. It's the sites that are illegal, not what i'm doing. It's not illegal to use illegal sites.

rone - Member

Okay I will give you a clue. I work in these realms.

I never guessed that at all, not in a million years! 😆

I'm downloading/streams from illegal sites. It's the sites that are illegal, not what i'm doing. It's not illegal to use illegal sites.

You're confused. The only defense you have is the likes have FACT have chosen not to target you.

There is currently grey area of Streaming, but you said downloading. That infringes copyright law.

Which is why I asked you to give context.

I haven't felt the need to be personal at all which shows the lack of grasp you have on the subject.

rone - Member
You're confused. The only defense you have is the likes have FACT have chosen not to target you.

Chosen is one way of putting it. Unworkable and [I have a potty mouth], of dubious legality, they don't want to get into is another.

Downloading/streaming, in the illegal context is the same thing more or less. You're still transmitting the same file to your computer the way it works. It just doesn't live on you computer once you've stopped watching.

But it makes all the difference in the this debate.

Streaming (let's assume we're talking about unauthorised content) is considered temporary, that's the only technical issue here. And that is really grabbing at straws.

You grouped them together from the off - which is why I asked you to give context -right from the off.

rone - Member
I haven't felt the need to be personal.

I haven't got personal at all, you're being deliberately obtuse. The question was warranted.

rone - Member
But it makes all the difference in the this debate.

Streaming is considered temporary, that's the only technical issue here.

You grouped them together from the off - which is why I asked you to give context,right from the off.

It's an irrelevant distinction. but you crack on. It's no wonder you struggle to solve the problem.

A "friend" might have a box connected to sky dish and internet , full sky package including ability to record 2 channels £75 a year and box costs £100 just look on facebook, never buffers including the box office boxing etc

I haven't got personal at all, you're being deliberately obtuse. The question was warranted.

You called me dim?

I'm not being obtuse - I'm highlighting the blasé nature you walked into this and got things wrapped around your keyboard because you'd clearly read something on a web-page once and factually passed off streaming/downloading as the same thing and, asked others to express legality on something you poorly defined.

Do you think law is obtuse?

It's an irrelevant distinction

No it's not. Tangibly and legally.

You are wrong.

When you download you are creating a copy.

rone - Member
I haven't got personal at all, you're being deliberately obtuse. The question was warranted.
You called me dim?

I'm not being obtuse - I'm highlighting the blasé nature you walked into this and got things wrapped around your keyboard because you'd clearly read something on a web-page once and factually passed of streaming/downloading as the same thing and, asked others to express legality on something you poorly defined.

Do you think law is obtuse?

Interesting thread becomes tedious.
What a surprise. 🙄

rone - Member
When you download you are creating a copy.

And the same thing is true if you stream, however temporary. I'll let you argue out that in your offices. I disagree we'll leave it at that. It's a silly line of questioning.

It's an irrelevant distinction. but you crack on. It's no wonder you struggle to solve the problem.

EDIT: although if you're just trolling, well played!! 🙂
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I understand the technicalities of a file transfer, which you or the law don't seem to.

the files you stream and the files you download are the same thing. Ergo there is no difference.

Really?

No difference, at all?

😆

I understand the technicalities of a file transfer, which you or the law don't seem to.

At the end of the streaming session do you have a copy of that file?

I could have if I wanted. 😆

Interesting thread becomes tedious.
What a surprise.

Sorry about that, thought I was tackling a genuine debate . Shrug.

It is genuine, I'm just expressing my disbelief at where the law currently is.. If the argument about irrelevant technicalities is where it's at, the "catching up" is miles and miles behind.

Better off tackling the how do you get round my right to the privacy of my internet connection problem. I'd think that's the more pressing matter at hand.

could have if I wanted.

Okay if you do that refer to the earlier post.

Then it is just a stream unless you've rendered a further copy.

Still not seeing the relevancy that has to tackling the problem.

I'm delighted if people "in the industry" think that it's important.

Whilst I'm happy to have a debate about 'privacy' etc - would you also not consider when you use these sorts of sites you are possibly exposing your connection to all manner of shit anyway?

The best thing to do is watch less TV then you don't have a problem 😆
Perhaps a hobby like cycling?

rone - Member
Whilst I'm happy to have a debate about 'privacy' etc - would you also not consider when you use these sorts of sites you are possibly exposing your connection to all manner of shit anyway?

Was more of a problem an operating system or 2 ago though. W10 is very good these days. I scan my machine every now and then with a few programs returns zero.