Just shut up for once will you?
Agreed.
Thread closed.
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That was the best bit of the game!
Just shut up for once will you
I'm lost, Has he been moaning again ?
Maybe if he'd paid Everton a little respect and put his strongest side out, he'd have little to complain about this morning.
That video is priceless though. 25 years of acting like a bullying, spoilt school kid, captured in 10 seconds 😆
I agree with Trailmonkey - he had a go at rafa for disrespecting sam allerdyce but then he sends out a very inexperienced side for the FA cup final? In my opinion that was a big mistake. However, i quite like him and read a great interview with him in the New Statesman about a month ago. He grumps too much though 🙂
sorry, SEMI-FINAL!
No let me guess, it was the referees fault? Or the wrong type of grass? Or some guys in the stadium weren't cheering your team? Or they didn't play enough "added" time for one of your divers to get into the penalty box?
Not the fact you fielded a bunch of teenagers?
Still, as it was Wembley all those Man U 'fans' didn't have far to travel did they?
(Man U Fan here)
He fielded the best team for Man U, not for the Cup. League and Champions league take priority.
I'll bet Fergie watched the Arsenal game very closely, saw how energy sapping the pitch was and made his selection accordingly. No way Scholes, Giggs etc could have done 90mins on that pitch.
Perhaps a bit of an over-reaction with the penalty appeal but I think it was a penalty - definite contact and striker clean-through... Fergie only disrespected the ref and lets face it, the ref didn't have a great game. Plus Moyes had a dig at the ref before the game even kicked off!
People will always hate Fergie but he's no different to Michael Schumacher, Tiger Woods etc - winning is everything.
Fergie had nothing but contempt for Everton, that is why he fielded a weak team.
The premise that he was keeping players back purely to concentrate of the league and Europe is utter tosh. Silverwear is silverwear and the potential for Man Utd to take it all this year and achieve huge bragging rights over all the other Premiership 'big boys' would have been right up there in Ferguson's mind. Fortunately he mis-judged the big-game mentality that Everton summoned up and his team paid for it through not having anything worthwhile (not even on the bench) to fall back on.
How I will laugh if Man Utd end up with little to show for this year.
Wouldn't be the first time Utd have dissed the FA Cup!
The bloke is nothing more than an arrogant prick
I am no Mun U fan but you cant knock his record, I think you have to be a bast*rd to achieve what he has and I have a sneaking respect for him.
Q.What's the difference between Alex Ferguson and a jet engine??
A: A jet engine eventually stops whining!!!!
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I am no Mun U fan but you cant knock his record
You can if you are a Liverpool supporter!
You can if you are a Liverpool supporter!
Thats what I find amazing about football fans the utter one eyedness of it.If he had achieved for Liverpool what he has for Mun U then he would be up there with Shankly.
If he had achieved for Liverpool what he has for Mun U then he would be up there with Shankly.
No he wouldn't. We do things differently at Liverpool.
Liverpool, isn't it the team that [i]shows a lot of promise and never delivers in EPL[/i]?
?EPL
I watched the game on TV, and you could only hear the Everton fans singing, not Man U. Perhaps their mouths were all full of prawn sandwiches.
I watched the game on TV, and you could only hear the Everton fans singing, not Man U. Perhaps their mouths were all full of prawn sandwiches.
Either that or the glass is quite thick on windows of the corporate hospitality suites...
If he had achieved for Liverpool what he has for Mun U then he would be up there with Shankly
In terms of charisma, Fergie is not even in the same postcode as Shankly.
In terms of achievement, Shankly couldn't lace Fergie's boots.
the best cup game of the season has already been played at wembley......
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7975143.stm ]by real clubs who have real fans[/url]
like taunt the Man U supporters about Munich? (until you had your own fan deaths,) or more recently that nice song you made up about Alan Smith getting his leg broken?We do things differently at Liverpool,
You seem very bitter Ducky
The Manchester United crowd are hardly shrinking violets when it comes to cruel chants!
I also recall your own fans shouting nasty things to Smith before he became a Manchester United player!
I don't actually support any team, I do like to watch the game played well, the quarter final last week being an example of that.Coming from Scotland we have a completely different set of (tribal)issues when it comes to football. I was making the point that Liverpool are no better than Man U. and citing evidence to back this up.
In terms of achievement, Shankly couldn't lace Fergie's boots.
What a stupid and ignorant thing to say, by someone who hazzunt a clue about the history of English Football.
Shankly established the modern foundations of the most successful club England has ever seen. Liverpool dominated English football for well over two decades, and even the current team have achieved success, based undoubtedly on the legacy left by Shankly, and nurtured by others who followed him.
As a Liverpool fan, I have great respect and admiration for Ferguson's achievements. He is the single most successful manager in English football, and one of the greatest managers ever. There's no doubting his talent for building teams that steamroller their way to success.
The downside of his character is his arrogance, and the way he treats people he has issues with, mainly, referees. Rafa was spot-on with his bit about how Fergie gets away with shit no other manager would even dare to, and this is borne out time and time again. Take this weekend; Fergies ranting at Alan Wiley, the assistant referee, wooduv surely seen any other manager up on a disrepute charge. And this attitude extends to his players; Rooney's disgusting display against Fulham earned him no more than a red card, and one match ban. Ronaldo's constant play-acting goes unpunished time and time again. And the way United players surround the ref, at any opportunity, is something that shoon't be allowed (it is not, actually, but Man U players seem to get away with it on a regular basis).
And I love the way Fergie always sends an assistant, to talk to the press, whenever they've lost. All the other managers at least have the bottle to do so themselves.
Great manager, but not a particularly respectful person. His comments about Rafa's apparent 'lack of respect' of Sam Allardyce are laughable, considering his own record (apparently, Allardyce met Sammy Lee after the game, and din't say owt about feeling insulted; indeed, he's said f-all about it, whilst Fergie seems to feel it's his 'duty' to criticise other managers). Fergie has shown disrespect to the whole game (FA Cup not good important enough to even compete for), let alone individuals.
I'm sure Man U will continue to win stuff under Fergie. I would appreciate them imploding right about now, and can't lie that I don't take great satisfaction from seeing them lose.
But in a few years, he'll be gone, and we won't have to put up with his antics any more.
As for entertainment, he was never fit to lace this man's boots:
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I was making the point that Liverpool are no better than Man U. and citing evidence to back this up.
We were talking about managers you are talking about supporters. Different thing altogether.
Bloody hell football is as bad as religion when it comes to rational debates.
Ok then,point taken, so can you now explain to me what the different thing Liverpool do are? Foreign owners,foreign manager,who likes a rant. Fans who think they have a right to win everything, both play in red. Look pretty similar to me...
sootyandjim - Member
Fergie had nothing but contempt for Everton, that is why he fielded a weak team
No he didn't, he showed contempt for 80,000 odd fans, plus innumerable others who watched it on TV. Having personally been a victim of paying full price to watch the Old Trafford reserves I can tell you its a disgrace worthy of a call to Trading Standards IMHO, and just before someone perks up with the old bullspoop justification, the answer to that one is, "thats why its difficult to win a lot of trophies you wally!"
Err Rudeboy...
Shankly; 3 Division One championships, 3 Charity Shields 2 FA Cups, 1 UEFA Cup.
Ferguson; Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
League Cup: 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Charity/Community Shield: 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91
UEFA Super Cup: 1991
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
I will give you the Shankly legacy, Paisley, Fagin(?) But that finished with Dalglish.
I watched the game on TV, and you could only hear the Everton fans singing, not Man U. Perhaps their mouths were all full of prawn sandwiches.
It may be because they come from that many places other than Manchester they can't understand what each person is trying to sing 😀
What a stupid and ignorant thing to say, by someone who hazzunt a clue about the history of English Football
Yesterday, you were warned in another thread about being offensive to people by calling them stupid. You may not agree with my opinion, you do not however have the right to call me stupid or ignorant. If you wish me to back up my claim with evidence I will :-
Bill Shankly:-
1962 Second Division champions
1964 First Division champions
1965 FA Cup Winners, European Champions' Cup semi-finalists.
1966 First Division champions, European Cup Winners Cup beaten finalists.
1969 First Division runners-up.
1971 FA Cup beaten finalists, Inter-Cities Fairs Cup semi-finalists.
1973 First Division champions, UEFA Cup winners.
1974 FA Cup winners, First Division runners-up.
Sir Alex Ferguson :-
St. Mirren (1974–1978)
Scottish First Division: 1976-77
Aberdeen (1978–1986)
Scottish Premier Division: 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985-86
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
UEFA Super Cup: 1983
Manchester United (1986–present)
Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
League Cup: 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Charity/Community Shield: 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91
UEFA Super Cup: 1991
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
It is arguable, but Fergusons record at Aberdeen alone, almost surpasses Shankly's.
As for laying down dynastic foundations, how can you possibly compare Ferguson to Shankly, when Ferguson is still in charge at Man Utd and hasn't passed the job on to anyone. Whilst we're on the subject of dynastical inheritance, it is worth noting that Shankly's succesor was far more successful than Shankly himself and was widely regarded by the players who played under both managers to be a far superior manager. Had the debate been between Paisley and Ferguson, it would have been far harder to call.
Rudeboy:-
As a veteran football supporter of somewhere in the region of 400 live matches, both home and away, I'd say my appreciation of " the history of English football " is far from one of ignorance or stupidity. Like most true supporters, I have a love of the trivia and statistics that are so much part of being a fan. These statistics, I feel, prove my original point. I'll give you an opportunity to withdraw your insulting remarks, otherwise, I [b]will[/b] report your post. I don't think that I am alone in getting a little tired of your constant labelling of people as stupid, should they dare to have an opinion contrary to your own.
It is a great shame that so many of these football threads get closed down as a result of the insults, like yours, that get traded. Sadly, I remember the days of hatred at football matches and it would be nice to think that we had moved on. Maybe not.
"Bill Shankly:-
1962 Second Division champions"
And that proves why you can't compare Shankly's record with SAF. Man U were a well-resourced sleeping giant when he took over, whereas Shankly took Liverpool from nothing. I think they're two of the greatest managers ever, but trying to settle the argument on the basis of trophys won isn't helpful.
I don't think you can understand SAF without the context of Liverpool's previous success.
It could be argued that without Shankly, Paisley etc there would have been no need for SAF to "[i]come down here to knock those f***ing scousers off their perch[/i]"
Why do you think he's not retired yet? In my view, he won't go willingly until we've matched them in Europe and are one ahead domestically. What's interesting will be if we stop winning with him at the helm. I don't think he'll go himself, how will he be pushed?
Higs (MUFC)
but trying to settle the argument on the basis of trophys won isn't helpful
In terms of achievement, there is no other yardstick. If you were to develop your argument further, you could say that you couldn't compare the two as Ferguson took Utd to levels that Shankly never could, European, World Club Cup etc. As I said previously, Fergie against Paisley is a tough one to call. Fergie against Shankly, is a non starter.
If you're going to claim the whole of Liverpool's post Shankly success as being down to Shankly and the boot-room ethos, I think you're doing Paisley a great disservice.
Rudeboy..... You are doing it again.. Read your flippin' posts before you hit send and try to imagine how they will be received.. I'm getting tired of trying to help you NOT get banned!
"In terms of achievement, there is no other yardstick."
Taking a hitherto small club and turning them into champions is clearly a bigger achievement than repeating previous success. Or are you arguing that Mackay's achievement at Derby was as big as Clough's?
That's why I don't think you can decisively argue that SAF is a better manager than Shankly.
And likewise, as a Man U fan, you're obviously going to prefer Fergie.
I'm not a Man Utd fan. I don't particularly like Ferguson either. My analysis is based purely on the achievements of the two managers. Your's seems to be based on partisan loyalty. As such, let me offer some of my own
Ron Saunders took Aston Villa from the second division to :-
Second Division runners up 1975
League Cup winners 1975,1977
First Division Championship 1981
He left the club 2 months before winning the
European Cup 1982,
No one, not even Tony Barton has any doubt that the glory was Saunders'.
Anyone with a true understanding of English football history would know all of this and would be able to put it into the context of the achievements of Shankly, Clough et al. I think it highlights quite vividly that, part of what makes some managers [i]great[/i] is the myth that they create. Ron Saunders as one of the greatest managers of all time ? I bet most of the [i]football fans[/i] of today, have no idea who he was. Why ? On the basis of achievements ? No. On the basis that he didn't create the myth of personality that Shankly and Clough did.
But don't get yer knickers in a twist, eh?
I would suggest that if you don't want people to be offended, then don't offend them.
There is no comparision between Fergie and those managers that came prior to the Premier league. Whilst there is no doubt that he is a great manager, Shankley, et al managed their achievements at a time when the self serving creators of the Premier LEague had yet to work their nasty spell, and the revenue from the game was fairly spread to create competition. Basically a high proportion of Fergies success is down to the machinations behind the scenes by the money boys and is diminished greatly as a result.
Respect the ref? Both Fergies & Ferdinands behaviour was deplorable, who'd be a ref?
surprised nobody's mentioned The Don yet 😉 ah that's right, we're not supposed to mention "Dirty" Leeds, are we?
anyway. As much as I dislike his public persona, the red-nosed one has indeed got a very good track record. I can't think of anybody with a better one, in the English game anyway.
He can be thankful he was given almost 10 years to win his first trophy with MUFC; he wouldn't be given that long today.
Crikey - you lot moan more than he does!
I actually like him as a manager and totally respect his record, but I do think that he could show a little respect and admit that it was a good close/tight game that could have gone either way and on this occasion it didn't go his way.
He cannot possibly be beaming about being in the latter stages of all competitions then moan that a pitch might tire his super-fit players out and make them unfit for the next big game.
He should have fielded his best team, tried to put the game beyong the Toffees then sub the important players. He should not have fielded what was, by anyone's opinion, a weekened team then complain afterwards.
And the peno - it was no more or less a peno than the one at the other end when Rafael leant into Cahill (or whoever it was).