Hibernation
OMFG, there it is folks. I'm starting now
Ban Tories.
Hibernation
OMFG, there it is folks. I’m starting now
have to eat loads first though.
It *has* to be less children – because it’s lifetime consumption that’s the problem. Offing oldies who subsist on salmon paste butties and shortbread isn’t saving anything.
From a lot of the threads on here I’m deducing that it’s middle aged white men that consume the most. We need a cull of middle aged, middle class, male IT professionals.
Do you think it’s everyone else’s job to support you refusing to work because it involves a bus ride?
Unless I’m mistaken you don’t have a partner either but you’d presumably leave a lifelong partner who lost their job and only had an option of working in another place and split the kids if you had them?
Actually I did have a life long partner who died. We both changed job many times. Both kept within a few miles of home. what we did was only apply for and accept posts where public transport or bikes were the option to get there.
Commuting is always as a result of choices you have made
I’m with TJ on this one. I’d never take a job that involved a long commute. I simply value my free time too much to spend it stuck in traffic.
Cancel Christmas and all the associated plastic tat.
Humbug.
Council tax based on a percentage of the current property value, with no maximum limit. That should help free up all the family homes full of silver tops. Who bought them for double their salaries back when good old Maggie was bashing the Argies.
I'll now add a smiley face 🙃 to...
A. Lift the mood around here (there's some serious grumps on here today/tonight)
B. Show that I'm only joshing.
As the double side of my 'boomer max hoosing tax' policy.
I'd give out tax breaks to people buying into luxury sheltered accomodation. Run like a non profit co-op organisation. With 24 hour bingo, Horlicks on tap, nightly sing songs and gin/whisky tasting sessions.
Commuting is always as a result of choices you have made
Correct - we chose to be somewhere which is equidistant from a number of different work options - It's not demonstrably close to any of them. My wife has now worked at 3 of them and her commute distance doesn't really vary. Had we bought close to our/her first job, she'd now be looking at commuting a much larger distance. Which is the right choice @tjagain?
The only way your way works is to have non-specialist skills or to be renting in perpetuity. Some skills are only applicable in certain circumstances and moving isn't always an option.
My work is 18-20 miles away dependent on route - does that make me a bad person?
The only way your way works is to have non-specialist skills or to be renting in perpetuity. Some skills are only applicable in certain circumstances and moving isn’t always an option.
Both Mrs TJ and I had specialist skills tho mine are widely used and bought property
Its always someone else who has to make the lifestyle changes isn't it?
Without major lifestyle changes the world will be largely uninhabitable within your childrens lifetimes
Some skills are only applicable in certain circumstances
Again - a choice you have made
Being fortunate enough to be born in a time when housing near a job ( remember not every one has the choice of what job they take and it's NOT their choice ) was manageable on the given wage for that job.
A large amount of your choice is actually based on luck and circumstance rather than direct things you have done. Things that no matter what you as an individual have done has influenced in anyway.
And circumstances change again for reasons out of your control.
Its always someone else who has to make the lifestyle changes isn’t it?
Quite.
I don't suppose, in your retirement, you're going to give up your homes so someone with similar earnings can be as close to their work as you were can buy it at a similar price to what you paid?
No? Thought as much.
I often notice that there is a lot more cars on the roads when it's raining.
Do people really have a second car spare just for when it's raining?
How do they normally get to work?
And does commuting to work by car (albeit a leccy one) make me a bad man?
Again – a choice you have made
@tjagain - The choice I made (and it was a conscious one) to develop the skills I have, will have saved over 4.5bn litres of fuel being burned over the last 5 and next 15 years...That total will increase.
Its always someone else who has to make the lifestyle changes isn’t it?
Well, let's see, I've only driven to work around 8 times in the last 5 yearsc, all of those due to injury. Our house is now almost completely solar powered, our car journeys are electric and again solar powered, we've removed 80% of the meat from our diet without substituting crap, my second car is 20 years old and has been maintained (like everything else) by me to not have it go to scrap/landfil and we recycle so much that our waste could be collected every 2 months and we'd still not fill a bin.
You seem to be doing the same thing you always have and it just happens to fit the current social trend and you're happy to preach about it, how good you are and how bad others seem to be, but you have only a teeny tiny glimpse of what other people are doing and are happy to judge. I seem to recall that you worked for the Health Service with skills that were applicable at more than a single hospital/location? I seem to recall that you refused to take a job that was...was it 5 miles rather than 2 miles from your home as it was inconvenient for you? Perhaps i'm misremembering.
As for people advocating carbon taxing children and those who have more than 1 - that's just silly and shortsighted. They're far more likely to make a positive impact on climate change than you are. And as for population growth - birthrate in the UK is down to 1.59. Without immigration, the population would already be shrinking. Also, once they're born, they're a person, and thus have their own available carbon credit.
Servers consume far more power than personal workstations. Mine with monitor is 130W. Our small pair of servers is 4-5kW when not under load. Triple or quadruple that for max load.
Lol a server that idles at 4-5kw is not in any way a small server!
For example our development VM host is a dl380 g10 (hpe's mid range 2U rack mount server) with 32 cores and 512gb of memory, it idles at around 200w.
All school children to walk to school, make dropping them off in a car as anti social as drink driving.
A flat rate of tax for all PAYE or self employed maybe 2 bands but no loop holes at all. Savings at HMRC will be funded by less complicated tax affairs should make enforcement easier and fairer.
Deposit scheme on plastic bottles huge taxes on bottled water as the only product it waste.
Insulation was carried out for the elderly for free by the WarmFront scheme under the last labour government, scheme disbanded in 2012.
I don't get your arguement Daffy. I have always tried to live a sustainable lifestyle. If you have as well then good. Part of the reason I worked in healthcare was easy availability of work and I didn't refuse the move - I wanted folks opinions on it.
There is also no judgement in my post at all - no value statements. Thats your interpretation and its 5totally bogus
None of what you say alters the fact that commuting is always a choice or if you prefer a result of choices you have made
birthrate in the UK is down to 1.59. Without immigration, the population would already be shrinking.
Sorry, I though we were talking about world society, not just the UK.
They’re far more likely to make a positive impact on climate change than you are.
& at what age does this bit commence?
If you look at 'success' in life in a purely biological way then if you don't pass your genetic material on, then what is the point?
If you've chosen to not have children and do not assist (this could be purely monetary) in other people's childrens development, care or education then that could be seen as quite a selfish act. Sucking up resources (and family homes) that the future generations need.
Obviously I'd not think that, as you'd need to be pretty callous to wish ill on other people for their choices in life.
going to give up your homes so someone with similar earnings can be as close to their work as you were can buy it at a similar price to what you paid?
No? Thought as much.
Actually i am likely to move and let the flats at below market rent. Edinburgh desperately needs good affordable rentals. I forgone a lot of money to let below market rents
+1 for population cull! There's no way I'm letting other peoples kids existence deprive me of my Patio Heater!
Ban physical marketing/advertising rubbish posted through our letterboxes.
In fact, ban the digital version too.
Last time I bought something directly as a result of an advert? The 33rd of Never.
Stop consuming animal products.
Time and time again it is shown that the most polluting plant-based products are still significantly less polluting than the least polluting animal products.
Every single person on this forum could make the switch tomorrow with less effort, cost or disruption than almost any other suggestion made.
Bet you won't though, will you..?
None of what you say alters the fact that commuting is always a choice or if you prefer a result of choices you have made
It's Hobson's choice. I could (hypothetically) commute from here to an interesting, challenging and lucrative job that contributes to the economy; or I could walk to work in Asda or Costa. Of course I could move but someone's got to live in this house and not everyone in the neighborhood can work at Asda.
Don't over-simplify things. It's really unhelpful. You're essentially denying there is a structural problem, by blaming the victims. This is why people think you are making value judgements.
None of what you say alters the fact that commuting is always a choice or if you prefer a result of choices you have made
And absolutely nothing that you have said makes any sense to 90+ percent of the population. For most people it's not a choice where to buy/rent, it's a calculation based on (often) complex circumstances of employment stability, affordability, proximity to things/people (or the opposite), size and many other requirements. Very few people get to say, without any constraints, "I'm going to live there" and can make it happen. You're applying your circumstances to everyone else.
No I am not.
it’s a calculation based on (often) complex circumstances of employment stability, affordability, proximity to things/people (or the opposite), size and many other requirements.
in other words choices made. all those things are choices> No one puts a gun to your head to make you comutte
Don’t over-simplify things. It’s really unhelpful. You’re essentially denying there is a structural problem, by blaming the victims. This is why people think you are making value judgements.
Where do I blame victims? There is not a single judgemental word in my posts. How about not transferring your thoughts onto what I say.
Its a simple fact that comutting is a choice, that without major changes in lifestyles the planet will become uninhabitable and that people are unwilling to make those changes
Very few people get to say, without any constraints, “I’m going to live there” and can make it happen. You’re applying your circumstances to everyone else.
I applied for work, accepted a job then got a flat within bicycle commute distance. Job first then flat
It always amuses me that these discussions always end up with personal attacks on me for pointing out the obvious truths
Put water for the morning brew in the kettle before heading to bed. Heating it from room temperature, not ground temperature is an easy win.
Refill kettle to at least the minimum line after pouring out just boiled water.
You read my mind...
Would be interesting to run the numbers on just these last two actions to see the energy savings. Here's hoping for a slow day at work tomorrow.
I applied for work, accepted a job then got a flat within bicycle commute distance. Job first then flat
Not an attack just looking for an answer on a question you shirk every time I ask it.
Had you got the same job* today. At the starting wage.
Where would you have been living ?
* Same location
these discussions always end up with personal attacks on me
Have you ever stopped to think why that may be?
it’s a calculation based on (often) complex circumstances of employment stability, affordability, proximity to things/people (or the opposite), size and many other requirements.
in other words choices made. all those things are choices
Ah, so I chose that this was the best house I could afford. If only I'd chosen to magic another £300k out of nowhere I could have made a better choice of house, simples.
Or if that wasn't possible maybe I could have chosen to buy 30yrs ago when it was much, much cheaper, despite not knowing where I'd need to live after I'd left university. And secondary school. And primary school.
Instead I've merely choosen what I can afford to live in when I needed to live in it, madness.
I'm only 20 odd miles south of TJ, I like it very much here.
Just done a quick Google to see what I could have bought near him in Edinburgh for up to what I paid for my nice 2 bed Victorian flat with a little garden, peaceful location and lovely views.
To my surprise there were 7 properties come on Rightmove. Then I realised that 4 of them were garages and the other 3 were parking spaces🤣 Choices, choices. I could buy a garage near to public transport links, more employment opportunities and city-centre crime rates or...
Had you got the same job* today. At the starting wage.
Where would you have been living ?
* Same location
Its an unanswerable question
I wouldn't have taken the job probably. Edinburgh being very expensive nowadays. Gorgie / Dalry perhaps. I checked =- there are properties I could buy under those unrealistic conditions
Ah, so I chose that this was the best house I could afford.
or as I have done bought a small flat in an unfashionable part of the city so as not to have an unsustainable comutte
Have you ever stopped to think why that may be?
Oh I'm pretty sure. Its shooting the messenger. You cannot refute the validity of my point so because you do not like the conclusions it leads you to you shoot the messenger.
I have made compromises for my sort of sustainable lifestyle. Compromises like living in a flat in a city. Id have loved a garden and a shed. But I could not afford one while living withing cycling distance of work
this is the point. there are no technological solutions. the only solution is massive lifestyle change by us all which includes not commuting amongst other major things. People are not will to do this so the future of humans on this planet is doomed.
This thread is bonkers.... seems to be populated by people who want to brag about the itchyness of their hair shirt, or people who are (I think) wanting to insulate their kettles for some reason?.
If you are talking about the UK:
Supporting a UK industry to design/make insulating and heating solutions that work for UK housing stock.
WFH has to be the default where it is technically possible - This is the answer to so many issues in the UK. Nobody who works at a computer should be driving to an office in order to do so.
Re-nationalize climate-critical industries, so that we are not relying on capitalism to solve the problem that they are the architects of.
Most importantly - stop voting for bastards. Re-claim politics from the lobbyists and donors, and start governing the country for the people that actually live in it.
Most of that could be done within a couple of government terms
Independent accounting in government expenditure.
buy under those unrealistic conditions
And we get to the nub. It's not unrealistic it's reality for hundreds of thousands of people and getting worseby the day
Your living in the past trying to apply what worked 20-30 years ago to today.
If every one did the same .as per your massive change ..... There would be no staff available to cover shifts as they would all be priced out of being in public transport/muscle power of work. .
That's before we get to the cleaners the food servince industry the supermarkets ...... Are they able to make the same choice.
When I was ,21 I thought like you. Then I grew up and lived saw places met people in the world did some reading saw how the world works and why ideology such as the concept of free choice is an illusion your picking between a set of dealt hands set by others. Hard work,( education/CPD improves the cards availible but your still not in full control of the choices.
Any one of us could have been born in Ethiopia with a limb missing. - would you have the choice them ? What about blind in Peru ? Hhat about fully able in 1980 Cuba. All perfectly legitimate existences.
Fwiw
Thinking about it , it was something JoJo said regarding people choosing to sit in traffic that triggered me to look at the bigger picture over the years.
But anyway. Off to cycle to work as it's one of my prescribed days to cycle the 9 miles. (Which despite not changing jobs has moved from one side of the city to the other and back again over the last 15 years)
