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It's utter bobbins to suggest that Asian and African FAs are (alone or primarily) responsible for bribery. We know that the US FA was tainted, that the English and Australian FAs shovelled gifts and inducements onto the delegates to try to win bids, we know that FIFA and Blatter are Swiss...we know that Formula 1 is tainted (I was being sarcastic earlier, sorry for being opaque), we know that the Olympics are tainted (Salt Lake City, Taivanchik, Sochi construction, BHP bribery around the Beijing Olympics), we know that racing is bent, we know that betting rings rig European football games... These are not specifically Asian or African problems: this is a global problem. What's even more outrageous is that all of these sports receive wads of direct and indirect public subsidies from taxpayers.
The (English) FA should not be crowing: it should be feeling very nervous and looking back at the gifts and payments it made in order to try to "win" past tournaments.
@MSP, I didn't know that.
@kimbers yes I read yesterday that its quite likely the report will now be published in full.
@kona, I agree with much of what you've posted but paying for some expensive, even lavish dinners and some watches is really quite different from many tens of millions in cash wired to federations under the control of individuals.
Seems the star witness has been wearing a wire, so i guess the evidence is pretty damning.
I think they previously had plausible deniability*
Is this why he did not use mobile phone nor email? 'No, they never told me...'
Seems the star witness has been wearing a wire, so i guess the evidence is pretty damning.
You do get the feeling that they have some pretty good evidence going. Radio 4 was speaking of a report that was 'edited' before publication, that FBI and Swiss have a copy of original, and are using that as basis for much of the investigation and use of the source.
Is this why he did not use mobile phone nor email? 'No, they never told me...'
that would be my assumption ..he tried very hard to leave no evidence trail of what we all know was happening
I assume it was not good enough and they have a smoking gun as there is no other way he would have resigned
" paying for some...watches is really quite different from many tens of millions in cash wired to federations under the control of individuals."
only in scale, not in nature.
didn't the English FA also make all sorts of dubious grants and giveaways to other associations? maybe of course England is the exception - the one little incorruptible island among a sea of global filth. but it seems statistically improbable.
game, Sepp and match
konabunny - Member
" paying for some...watches is really quite different from many tens of millions in cash wired to federations under the control of individuals."
From the Oz FA
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-03/lowy-says-australias-world-cup-bid-was-clean/6519444?section=sport
"The centre asked Australia to donate $4 million to the project. We compromised and offered $500,000 to fund a preliminary feasibility study," Lowy said."We sent a team to examine the site. We engaged an external sports facilities consultant to visit the site and prepare a report. We met with CONCACAF officials to agree the terms.
"The chief executive of the Centre, not Warner, gave us the bank account details for CONCACAF. We paid the money into that account and received confirmation it was received by the bank. It was paid into a CONCACAF account, not Jack Warner's personal account.
"When CONCACAF contacted us to say they were conducting an inquiry into its accounts, we provided information about our donation.
"That inquiry - conducted by two former judges and a senior accountant - found that Jack Warner had committed fraud and misappropriated the funds - in other words he had stolen the money from CONCACAF. It also found other instances of wrongdoing by Warner over many years.
It's hard to say at this stage who's clean or who was just doing what was expected or how the cash influenced votes.
Though it is hard to look beyond holding a world cup in the desert in the middle of summer...
it was not a secret how these giveaways were treated or what Warner's reputation was...
it was not a secret how these giveaways were treated or what Warner's reputation was...
Its true enough there where many suspicions in the public domain but not proof, that's coming now.
So the Irish took a 5m (dollar or euro ?) hush money payment to drop legal action over Thierry's hand of god incident. Roy Keane has an 11am press conference, tht could be tricky.
South Africans have released another letter between them and FIFA/Valcke - seems clear to me they are trying to distance themselves from the $10m CONCAF payment, they don't want to make it - they want FIFA to make it. IMO they know it's not legit.
Exactly. Compare also the position of Football Federation Australia: "yes, we wanted to impress Warner three weeks before a vote, and sure, we were advised by two dodgy mates of Sepp Blatter to give half a million dollars for a 'feasibility study' for a football camp in Warner's backyard, and yes now you mention it, we paid it directly ourselves in order to short circuit public procurement rules when the federal government would have paid it if it were legit, but we are [i]incredibly surprised [/i]that Jack Warner helped himself to the money, it's quite the opposite from what we expected to happen..."
It's not his fault, he's been betrayed. I saw the trailer for a documentary about it:
FFS .. why doesnt someone sack him for bringing the organisation into disrepute .. he now says hes not resigning .. give him the p45 and escort out of the building.
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33284185
And another thing ma'am .. just one final word......and another ... and another .... etc
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I'm starting to develop a grudging respect for the man and the sheer scale of his you-can-all-just-****-off-ness
Well, the man is 'innocent until proven guilty', however it appears that he doesn't think he's not guilty enough to brave a flight to North America at the moment
You have to respect him for his thick skin and years of teflon behaviour. He's not done yet.
Indeed @pied he's not attending the ladies world cup as he knows there is a good chance he'll be arrested.
He's like the shitest Bond villain ever
Great news for football. Not.
who had today in the sweapstake?
I was expecting it would be about a month before he did an about-face
Monday's fifa press release will be about them moving the headquarters to a hollowed out volcanic island off the coast of North Korea
Breathtaking...
I used to work with a guy who was this slippery - it's a real art doing it with a straight face, quite fascinating to watch in action 😯
I *like* this;
"Protestor throws money at Sepp Blatter"
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during news conference for this:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33595702?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33595702?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central[/url]
That's quite a lengthy notice period.
it wasn't a protestor, it was unfunny comedian **** Lee Nelson
Hmm, "its noting to do wit footbal" I wonder if that's true, hard to know given that blatter said that.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34363289 ]Noose tightening? [/url]
Seems to be increasingly hard to hide bad behaviour these days...
Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Visa and Budweiser have all come out and said that it is time for Sepp to walk the plank. He will be out of the door by Monday.
blimey ..this took some time.. shouldve shunted him out the minute the he brought the fifa into direpute. What about Greg dyke and the FA. I find the handling of Carniero really poor. If it was about race the cops would be all over it, Jose would be forced to apologise and paraded around doing the Respect campaign.
Its quite telling that the Respect Campaign only focusses on Colour and ethnicity. What about the sexist and homophobic abuse doled out on the terraces let alone in the dressing room.
Respect equality and not just colour
The FA/ FIFA/ UEFA all exist in some sort of 1950s ethical timewarp