[Closed] Segregated audience at Labour rally

Mr Harman will be in the doghouse I think.

Not the first nor the last example of political expediency in the face of an election.

The speakers at said event.

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Tom Watson doesn't look too happy. Perhaps because he realised he'd just been photographed, darn press !

Maybe it means they speak to an audience that wouldn't have been able to hear them at all otherwise

Mr Harman will be in the doghouse I think.

Wow, I didn't realise Harriet Harman's fella was one of the key speakers, you couldn't make it up!

I don't have any problem with that at all. If a predominately Muslim audience wants men and women sitting in separated groups why would that be a problem? It doesn't seem to put women at a disadvantage to men, and I can't see why it would.

Is the problem because there are less women? There appears to a substantial amount of women at the meeting and certainly the ratio of women to men appears to be far greater than I would expect to see at my local trade union council meeting. I would be very surprised to see a 50/50 ratio at any political meeting.

I thought it was ironic that Andrew Neil should ask a Jewish woman to justify the arrangements for what appears to be very much a Muslim audience. And she clearly didn't know anything about it but was expected to give an explanation.

Why weren't the speakers segregated as well?

Fair play to Mr Dromey, though. Getting through that tricky all-female shortlist process so well.

Why should be I be outraged, is there a Daily Mail article to assist me?

ernie_lynch - Member

I don't have any problem with that at all. If a predominately Muslim audience wants men and women sitting in separated groups why would that be a problem?

So, if you'd attended with your misses and were told you couldn't sit with her you wouldn't have an issue?

One of those... if you are pandering for their vote probably best to not piss them off and respect their views

Not exactly progressive and impossible to defend [segregation] except to say its expedient.

Personally I would have preferred to have sat with the women mudmuncher. But I accept that Muslim women might prefer that I didn't.

Perhaps someone can explain why the men were at an advantage over the women at that meeting? Or why a meeting packed with apparently Muslim women suggests that the Labour Party isn't interested in 'championing women's rights' as the OP suggests might be the case?

EDIT : I'm actually very impressed indeed to see so many Muslim women attending a meeting organised by the Labour Party. I'm incredulous that this should be used as some sort of stick to beat the Labour Party with. How do other political parties fair?

Perhaps someone can explain why the men were at an advantage over the women at that meeting?

That's a very good point - the women were no more disadvantaged than Rosa Parks.

Mr Harman will be in the doghouse I think.

I doubt it - Harriet's wife, Jack, who was a union fat cat, managed to be selected as a candidate in a seat with an all woman short-list.

BTW from my past experience of canvassing for the Labour Party in predominately Muslim areas of Croydon I am impressed with the enthusiasm that Muslim women show in voting. Often much more enthusiasm than non-Muslim working-class women - the apathy shown by that demographic group can be quite depressing imo.

Labour are biggest scumbags of them all, two faced shite bags as slippery as an eel. If you like that kind of thing vote for it!

Ya, speaking with forked tongues double standard ...

I thought we are in the UK but that looks like separate world. Yes?

It looks like nothing change much really.

Integration ... ya right ...

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I would have an issue if a woman wanted to sit anywhere, but was prevented.

I'm conflicted here - gender segregation is wrong and shouldn't be a part of modern society, but then there's the whole issue of impressing Western values on people of other cultures. But then we are a Western nation and this is happening in a supposedly progressive country.
Should we be advocates for such events if those in attendance are accepting of the gender segregation? What types of segregation are allowed in these circumstances and what aren't?

Labour are biggest scumbags of them all, two faced shite bags as slippery as an eel. If you like that kind of thing vote for it!

So the Labour Party creates the conditions where a substantial amount of Muslim women can engage directly in politics and they're "scumbags" and "two faced shite bags" for doing so. Yeah right.

This is just a pathetic excuse for halfwits who hate the Labour Party to attempt to score points.

Personally I would have preferred to have sat with the women mudmuncher. But I accept that Muslim women might prefer that I didn't.

I suspect they wouldn't mind. Their controlling, misogynistic husbands probably would though.

Perhaps someone can explain why the men were at an advantage over the women at that meeting? Or why a meeting packed with apparently Muslim women suggests that the Labour Party isn't interested in 'championing women's rights' as the OP suggests might be the case?

So what would your thoughts be if the audience had been segregated on race or sexual persuasion? Whites on the left, blacks on the right or heterosexuals on one side, gays and lesbians on the other?

Typical left wing double standards.

Well at least it wasn't in a University

http://leftfootforward.org/2013/12/a-future-labour-government-will-not-tolerate-gender-segregation/

Given that no one seems coerced in the picture, what's the fuss? Good to have people joining the political debate and to have hypocrisy exposed. Two birds, one stone.

They will be stereotyping women with the colour pink next! What's next free barbie dolls...?

Genius. How about...

Jew free event?
Black free events?

How about not pandering to the intolerant instead?

Typical left wing double standards.

Yeah I think we're getting to what this really all about.

Of course the Tory Party has a much better track record of engaging and listening to the views of Muslim women.

I can't imagine that many women turning up to a Tory Party public meeting, let alone Muslim women.

Imagine the Tories having the first woman Muslim cabinet minister. Surely not?

teamhurtmore - Member

5thElefant - Member

All the self-righteous Tories are turning up to condemn the Labour Party 🙂

Their controlling, misogynistic husbands probably would though

Of course the Tory Party has a much better track record of engaging and listening to the views of Muslim women.

I can't imagine that many women turning up to a Tory Party public meeting, let alone Muslim women.

No women at all here:

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teamhurtmore - Member

Imagine the Tories having the first woman Muslim cabinet minister. Surely not?

And UKIP has black party members. Whadya know.

Good swerve, saves answering the point.

Thank you for making my point aracer - [i]I can't imagine that many women turning up to a Tory Party public meeting[/i]

I don't have any problem with that at all. If a predominately Muslim audience wants men and women sitting in separated groups why would that be a problem?

Ffs lynchmob really? Honestly do you really think gender segregation has a place in our society?

 

Ok lynch if that was your missus (assuming you have one) that was told to sit on the other side of the hall away from any males what would you do?

Really? I presume they don't play to empty audiences - they do after all get millions of voters - hence you were simply suggesting there was an issue regarding the proportions (I found plenty of pics of packed meetings, but none which allowed you to readily identify gender apart from the front few rows which I assumed would be carefully managed - I found the source of that pic amusing though)

Do you really believe that not many women would turn up to a Tory public meeting? I guess I probably know more Tories than you, and anecdotally quite a large proportion are women.

Good swerve, saves answering the point.

"back on topic" being your current favourite

saves answering the point.

Well if your and aracer's point is that I said no women or Muslims ever attend Tory public meetings then yes, I wouldn't be answering it.

If you want to deliberately claim that I said something which I didn't say then I won't bother.

Anyway, I've made my point 🙂

Well if your and aracer's point is that I said no women or Muslims ever attend Tory public meetings

😆 - so now you're complaining that I'm suggesting you made a point you didn't... by suggesting that I made a point I didn't!

ironically many here just sound like the politicians they're ironising.

Yes and it was countered and falsified. Still it was only imagination wasn't it? You can be let off.

So it's not just raining down South.

if that was your missus (assuming you have one) that was told to sit on the other side of the hall away from any males what would you do?

Its fair to criticise the segregation but to claim this highlights something about labour rather than politics is beyond disingenuous

All the most vocal here are the usual Tory suspects making a party political point.

Read my first post I have no desire to defend this but all the parties would have done the same

5thElefant, mitsumonkey, and bloodynora, I'm waiting for enfht to turn up.

Those Muslim-loving champions of tolerance.

It's Labour Party/Lefty bashing time 🙂

Ernie - you have dodged my main question, so I'll put it to you again....

So what would your thoughts be if the audience had been segregated on race or sexual persuasion?

Whites on the left, blacks on the right

or heterosexuals on one side, gays and lesbians on the other?

Thought not.

Junkyard - lazarus
Their controlling, misogynistic husbands probably would though
Ah the scholars of Islam are in the house then

I wouldn't claim or want to be a scholar of Islam, but I did have a good friend at university that sadly never made it back for her second year after going back to ****stan for what she thought was a friend's wedding only to find out it was her own forced marriage.

It's tough if you have to watch things through Red Tory lenses all the time though. By the time Today is aired, some story will have been cobbled together.

Nice anecdote thanks for sharing
I knew some christians who once did a bad thing and some Black people ...shocking eh. Can i be mean about "them all" due to this or not?

How do you feel about toilets segregating on gender?
Better or worse than ones that do it on race or sexuality?

Those Muslim-loving champions of tolerance.

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Its not great labour did this but it really is just right winger frothing here

free country means people are free to do things you don't agree with.

like ride a fixie.

Nice anecdote thanks for sharing

How do you feel about toilets segregating on gender?