Scotland Indyref 2

Still waiting for the emergency budget Osborne promised us.

S77 - I'd agree DUP MPs 100% leave is an indicator. I'm just saying what the Germans said - and I didn't include them in the British European Union along with London and Gibraltar. I don't know how likely it is anyway, but then I didn't think people would vote for fewer jobs, more costs and higher taxes so what do I know.

Another thing I don't know, what's the status of IoM and the Channel Islands?

aracer - Member
...Of course you can go it alone - nobody (sensible) has ever denied that - it's just that the economic position might not be as good as you think...

Just about every supporter of independence I have met expects our economic situation to be worse temporarily. Mainly because we believe that Westminster will do everything in its power to make that so. After 300 years of Westminster we have no illusions.

So to us the economy is not a major factor, a bonus if it's ok, otherwise grin and bear it. Sort it we will.

oldnpastit - Member
So, where's nice to live in Scotland then?

You probably wouldn't like it. 😉

oldnpastit - Member
So, where's nice to live in Scotland then?

The lumpy bits. 🙂

[quote=gordimhor ]Still waiting for the emergency budget Osborne promised us.

The one he's said he's leaving until after there's a new boss in charge (ie he won't be doing it)? I'm thinking it will happen after we invoke article 50...

[quote=igm ]Another thing I don't know, what's the status of IoM and the Channel Islands?

They're not part of the EU - but then neither are they part of the UK. I think officially both are "crown dependencies". IIRC the Channel Islands are part of the EU free trade area, though I'm not sure if that applies to IoM.

blimey you really must hate the English to do that!!!!

they want t stay in the EU that is all
Its the English who just voted out of hatred and everyone can see that even you at your trolling best /worst

don't think it's hate at all,

My comment was tongue-in-cheek 😉

it's just the extremely right wing nature of English politics

As I assume this was!!

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Yes, the SNP aren't left wing,

True

Folk can bash ninfan as much as they like, but his comments in the nature of the vote were fatally correct - 100% so - the voting slips were very clear and it was a very simple question.

Do you want the UK to remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?

If people chose to interpret this in a different way, then so be it. You can't change what was written in the paper in black and white.

My comment was tongue-in-cheek

Well an interesting reaction to Alyn Smith - I think we can safely say you have the EU parliament behind you

...though I'm pleased to see the Sinn Fein lady didn't get quite the same reaction

teamhurtmore - Member
it's just the extremely right wing nature of English politics
As I assume this was!!

Anyhow, I'm not going to get dragged into arguing specific points, I've made my thoughts clear above, they aren't complete, are my starting point, and will develop as time develops, but that's where I am at the moment. Take or leave them as you so choose. 😉

Plenty of time yet Joe, plenty of time yet.... 😉

[goes off to check definition of "extreme"....]

There ye go 😉

extremely
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adverb
to a very great degree; very.

So, where's nice to live in Scotland then?

Define nice?

gabriele zimmer german left, Eu needs to show solidarity with the people of scotland and ireland.

verhofstadt was also on about farages mission to become PM of England and Wales, take from that what you will...

i think we can be sure Scotland and Ireland are in the thoughts of the Europeans.

As for the oil, it may be down, but we would be getting 100% of the revenue not a pittance.

If there's one thing that really needs to end if we go through all this again, it's this fantasising about oil & gas revenues. Hopefully most people realise by now the wild claims from last time round were made up.

Really?

😉

Hopefully most people realise by now the wild claims from last time round were made up.

From both sides; "the truth is out there" anybody?

[quote=seosamh77 ]verhofstadt was also on about farages mission to become PM of England and Wales, take from that what you will...

Wasn't he referring to Boris? (sorry, lost track of who said what)

[quote=seosamh77 ]i think we can be sure Scotland and Ireland are in the thoughts of the Europeans.

More so Scotland from the reaction I saw, and as mentioned above - the vote in NI was hardly as conclusive, and they had speakers from both sides. Clearly there is a lot of division there (as usual) and it's far from as simple a case as Scotland.

It is all a mess, and if there are demands for a ref in Ireland then Boris's leadership campaign will leave him with blood on his hands. It was unpleasant up here at times, but it will be worse over the water.

aracer - Member
seosamh77 » i think we can be sure Scotland and Ireland are in the thoughts of the Europeans.
More so Scotland from the reaction I saw, and as mentioned above - the vote in NI was hardly as conclusive, and they had speakers from both sides. Clearly there is a lot of division there (as usual) and it's far from as simple a case as Scotland.

Political will triumphs over rules every time, because if there is the will rules can be changed.

I'd like to say a wise man once said that - but it was me.

[url= https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/747729114828779521?utm_content=bufferfe6de&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer ]I think we can stop arguing about what the EU's attitude to Scotland will be....[/url]

epicyclo - Member
I think we can stop arguing about what the EU's attitude to Scotland will be....

All the world loves the Scots. Well 99% of the world. What do you expect? We're just lovely lovable people.

All the world loves the Scots. Well 99% of the world. What do you expect? We're just lovely lovable people

....except me. I'm a bit of a prick sometimes*.

Apparently.

*mostly about pies with lids.

Yeah but that 1%, a lot of them are in the UK. Particularly the pie lids faction. I mean have you ever argued with a Latvian about pie lids orbs Peruvian for that matter?

See we're just lovable.

Nicola has spoken:

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/First-Minister-s-statement-on-EU-referendum-25c5.aspx

Hmmm interesting speech. Leadership.

Appears that at Holyrood leadership is vision and actions, while at Westminster it's a contest.

And though Scots, I'm no Scots Nat.

Come on Westminster show some leadership.

yes it was interesting she does at least seem to be dealing with the issues forming a plan, looking at options stating her opinion honestly and trying to build consensus whilst getting expert advice in uncertain times

meanwhile in Westminster/Englandshire....the labour party is committing hari kari and the only voice of leave we hear is the embarrassing wail of farage and the main players back pedalling from their pledges

Scottish politicians deliberately make tits of themselves and expose themselves to ridicule.............
.....Still come out of it with more dignity* than Westminster politicians who are supposed to be doing their actual serious day jobs.

*except the UKIP guy. He's a bam.

hels - Member

Nicola has spoken:

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/First-Minister-s-statement-on-EU-referendum-25c5.aspx

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What will be very interesting will be the reaction from both Ruth and Kezia...especially Ruth. There is no doubt that there is an interesting game going on just now in Scotland.

Duckman - the reaction will be interesting. Sturgeon did everything but turn to them and say "Ruth, Kezia, there will be plenty of time to scrap over Scotland later - shall we work together for now to make sure it's worth scrapping over?"

Agreed, but both opp leaders are going to be good barometers of their bosses "dahn sarf" which make the Corbyn wanted out theory reflected in how Dugdale responds. No doubt in my mind Ruth tank commander will " work cautiously with Mrs Sturgeon to ensure the best deal for Scotland."

Nicola, Ruth, Kezia and Angela to define the new Europe?

Four riders of the apocalypse ( averted)

Keiza didn't hold back, she tore into Ruth today. Not sure there's going to be much co-operation from Ruth and her team.

Donald Tusk said it would not be appropriate to meet Nicola Sturgeon at this time and said there would be no meeting with her tomorrow. I would be a little cautious in assuming the EU will welcome an approach from Scotland, they have the Spanish to consider

Donald Tusk said it would not be appropriate to meet Nicola Sturgeon at this time

So some sort of federal EU status for Scotland and NI whilst still being part of UK

Edinburgh to become the new London financial hub?

I love the idea that the EU is currently thinking hard about a separate negotiation for Scotland in the middle of all this - and they claim that the English are arrogant and self-centred.

Calm down Nats, nothing is going to happen in a hurry and you are not top of the priority list however painful that may be.

With luck, this whole thing will come to a messy compromise and the wishes of the majority who voted to remain in the UK can still be met.

Jamba - Spanish question versus stitching up countries that leave by being nice to the bits that don't. Tough one. 😉

Plus everyone loves a Scot.

THM - the Europeans didn't (past tense) want the UK to leave the Scots are a clearly defined part of the U.K. that wants to stay.
Deals may or may not be done. Nothing arrogant there on either side - just two groups whose interests may coincidence. But still not arrogant really

Edit: actually if you post meant Scotland don't do a deal that hangs the rest of the remainers out to dry I can see you point.

teamhurtmore - Member
...Calm down Nats, nothing is going to happen in a hurry and you are not top of the priority list however painful that may be...

You know the nice thing.

To watch a debate in the EU parliament and not see Scotland treated with jeers and sneers, but instead see a standing ovation. What a contrast to Westminster where it's like watching baboons.

[quote=igm ]THM - the Europeans didn't (past tense) want the UK to leave the Scots are a clearly defined part of the U.K. that wants to stay.

The trouble is, they're only a small part of the UK, they don't come with the weight (and the money - are they even a net contributor?) which the UK provides. I'm certainly not against it, but being realistic it's easy for the EU parliament to give a standing ovation to an SNP MEP, not so easy to do what Scotland want.

[quote=epicyclo ]To watch a debate in the EU parliament and not see any mention of Scotland treated with jeers and sneers, and instead see a standing ovation. What a contrast to Westminster where it's like watching baboons.

There was one on just before him...