bencooper - MemberA petition to call for a referendum to vote Scotland out of the UK.
I've signed
If you look at the map, it's almost all people from Scotland thats signed! 😆
Why - control on the levers of the economy, oil ( they are not making any more) and a well educated workforce with plentiful green energy. If Denmark and Holland can be prosperous countries then why not Scotland?
Fingers crossed for you there's some joined up thinking going on.....otherwise you're on a wing & a prayer with the rest of us....
Really -Yes.Why - control on the levers of the economy, oil ( they are not making any more) and a well educated workforce with plentiful green energy. If Denmark and Holland can be prosperous countries then why not Scotland?
Or leaving indeed
Oil is a declining asset, the stuff we have is getting too expensive to dril for as its so deep and it isn't of an especially good quality either. It'll go back up in price but never to the levels it was at and its days as a fuel source are numbered, ironically due to people like the SNP chasing green policies.
I'd almost like to get independence just to see the lefty green ****s that voted for it get all het up and start crying as the SNP approve fracking to attempt to claw back some of the horrendous deficit we'd have.
Also, educated workforce, well that was true, now, thanks to the Nats policies of absolutely ****ing up the schools and even having them literally fall down, the output from them isn't especially stunning anymore. A lot of them can't even read.
Controlling the levers in a helicopter with no rotor blades isn't going to help the bloody thing climb into the sky.
Nats. ****ing idiots. Away and paint your face with some woad and watch Braveheart again, the rest of us are busy.
If you look at the map, it's almost all people from Scotland thats signed!
Gerrymandering your own petition
I assume it's part of the PITA strategy
@deev that school was built under a labour government, to standards overseen by a labour council
you make it sound like it was one school in one area. Im a Tory anyway so can't stand Labour or the Nats. Still, at least Labour have ideals beyond arbitrary lines on maps.
Nats. **** idiots. Away and paint your face with some woad and watch Braveheart again, the rest of us are busy.
That the best you can do? Fairly refutes TJ's post about an educated workforce right there. Do you have any other examples of PPP schools falling down or are you too "busy" with the huge impact the Tories are having on Scottish politics? Almost as popular as the Thatcher era, you are on the march!
The schools falling down is nowt to do with the SNP
Ok, you got me - we'll continue to send the whisky*, irn-bru, deep fried chocolate bars, shortbread & Broons annuals down south & you guys keep sending up the good old English tea & scones, vats of coronation chicken, bunting, morris dancers and the juicy Westminster scandals we all love reading about & we'll all carry on with a stiff upper lip and forget that the EU will be doing the exact same thing to the UK post article 50 triggerment (we'll make up our own language as well)...It's a toughie...
*the revenue from which has always been listed under UK exports, as opposed to featuring on the tartan tax return, hasn't it?
Ah, the return of the whisky tax myth...
[url= https://whytepaper.wordpress.com/2015/08/25/meme-busting-whisky-and-the-non-existent-export-duty/ ]Grievance-mongering 101[/url]
mrlebowski - Member
Let them have their "Freeeeeeddddooommmmmmmmmmm.......!!!"
Actually that's what it's all about.
Freedom. We've been wanting it for long before Braveheart came out and gave us a parody of Wallace.
Please explain your opposition to freedom? You North Korean?
I think Brexit has shown that it is a popular concept in England too...
Nats. **** idiots. Away and paint your face with some woad and watch Braveheart again, the rest of us are busy.
What I don't get is why so many Unionists are so [i]angry[/i]. I mean some independence supporters are - the Scottish Resistance bloke springs to mind - but frothing-at-the-mouth sweary hatred is really a Unionist thing, why is that?
It's the kind of visceral hatred most normal people reserve for the Tories 😀
[quote=epicyclo ]I think Brexit has shown that it is a popular concept in England too...
Ah, so now you're aligning yourself with the Brexiteers. Well done.
aracer - Member
Ah, so now you're aligning yourself with the Brexiteers. Well done.
I respect their right to take their country out of the EU.
But no, I am not aligning with them, I want my country to stay in (for now).
[quote=epicyclo ]I respect their right to take their country out of the EU.
Despite it being a clearly rubbish thing to do, that most of the people voting to do so haven't got a clue what they were voting for and were doing so on the basis of lies and that it won't even achieve the results they were hoping for? You're suggesting it's like Scottish Independence?
Please explain your opposition to freedom? You North Korean?
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When I said this:
Fingers crossed for you there's some joined up thinking going on.....otherwise you're on a wing & a prayer with the rest of us....
I await your apology..
Good to see the same old sneering jibes getting thrown around. Deep fried this, tartan that, face painting freedom chasers etc etc. Strange that the same people struggle to understand why so many want to break ties with them.
The schools falling down is nowt to do with the SNP
...indeed nothing ever is, its time someone blamed Fatcha instead. Duckie only mentioned her in passing.
Why do those stereotypes exist km?
Why do those stereotypes exist km?
I don't know, is it because it's a part of the psyche of the English to make sneering jibes about other Nationalities?
Oh I see. Thank you for clearing that up.
Was the national generalisation about people making national generalisational intentional or something that all Scots do
(pun intended BTW)
Good to see the same old sneering jibes getting thrown around. Deep fried this, tartan that, face painting freedom chasers etc etc. Strange that the same people struggle to understand why so many want to break ties with them.
You're not very good at taking a joke are you?
Quiet frankly - be on your way. I care not one jot whether Scotland stays or goes. I think you'll be FUBARED unfortunately..
You're not very good at taking a joke are you?
Jokes are supposed to be funny, and when you hear the same ones everyday, multiple times a day at someone else's expense they cease to be jokes.
Jokes are supposed to be funny, and when you hear the same ones everyday, multiple times a day at someone else's expense they cease to be jokes.
Grow a thicker skin - I still think it's funny!
And Englishmen, Irishmen and Weslmen (the last two do exist BTW) walked into a bar..
[quote=km79 ]Good to see the same old sneering jibes getting thrown around. Deep fried this...
so far as I can work out, this is where "deep fried" was introduced to this thread (at least recently):
[quote=mcj78 ]Ok, you got me - we'll continue to send the whisky*, irn-bru, deep fried chocolate bars
...he seems to be on your side though (I'd suggest he had a SoH, but it seems that might go down the wrong way)
😆
Aye, but it's nae joke I tell yee 😉
The schools were built under Jack McConnell's Labour administration. Using PFI. Building standards should have been overseen by the relevant local authorities.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-26834110
No one comes out of this with any credit
Ok, you got me - we'll continue to send the whisky*, irn-bru, deep fried chocolate bars
Whisky maybe, but virtually no one down south wants irun-bru or deep fried anything. S
I disagree dragon. Deep fried haddock from Fife takes some beating (although that probably has more to do with the freshness of the fish 😉 )
Stop it the pair of you, I'm getting hungry and drouthy.
I'm thinking whitebait THM - the only thing I've ever used a deep fat frier for.
aracer - Member
'I respect their right to take their country out of the EU.'
Despite it being a clearly rubbish thing to do, that most of the people voting to do so haven't got a clue what they were voting for and were doing so on the basis of lies and that it won't even achieve the results they were hoping for? You're suggesting it's like Scottish Independence?
No it's not like Scottish independence.
With independence we get rid of the hugely undemocratic burden of the British state. You poor folk in England will still have it.
There is something deeply wrong with a system of govt that allows a reduction in the number of elected representatives to "save money" while actively increasing the number of unelected members of the govt, ie House of Lords.
@tjagain "As for that 15 billion - its less than that 'cos of accounting nonsense"
The 14.8 billion is from the GERS figure published by the Scottish Government (not "westmonster" or whatever).
If you want to argue that the figures are manipulated in any significant way to make the scottish economy look bad (and independence economically unviable) you should probably take it up with the Scottish Government statisticians who produce them.
If I seem to be emphasising that the figures are produced by the Scottish Government under the authority of Nicola Sturgeon, then you can assume its deliberate.
The emphasis seems justified because its a fact that seems to get lost in the discussion (particularly by people like Wings over Scotland, Alex Salmond, Pete Wishart and various other SNP MSPs/MPs)
[quote=epicyclo ]No it's not like Scottish independence.
I thought it was all about Freedom - just like Scottish Independence. At least that was what you were claiming earlier.
I'm not going to defend increasing the size of the HoL, but it's irrelevant to democracy - or do you think there is some sort of vote off between the HoC and the HoL and the HoL will have more power because it has more members?
airtragic
Ah, the return of the whisky tax myth...Grievance-mongering 101
Looked at that, it seems to be drowning in the semantics of export tax v excise tax, where it's collected & by whom... however, in the comments section there's a handy link to a Scotch Whisky Association breakdown of total "tax" on whisky *edit, link no working*
According to that, the total tax paid on the price of a bottle of scotch whisky is 76% - if that's correct, you appear to be suggesting Scotland receives 76% of the revenue from all whisky produced in Scotland, or am i misunderstanding?
On the matter of deep fried items - the best chippy (as anyone in the know will attest), is this fine establishment:
[img] http://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/3995418/ [/img]
Deep fried pizza suppers etc. i'm not too au fait with these days, although there was a place in Glasgow that offered a large pork sausage wrapped in kebab meat, dipped in batter & deep fried - it had a rather rude name as I recall 😉
(Deep fried) Haggis supper was a staple late evening antidote to too many pints of 80/- in my youth 😉
A haggis supper flight we call that now, upmarket rebrand 😉
[quote=mcj78 ]According to that, the total tax paid on the price of a bottle of scotch whisky is 76% - if that's correct, you appear to be suggesting Scotland receives 76% of the revenue from all whisky produced in Scotland, or am i misunderstanding?
You still appear to be getting confused between export tax and excise tax - which is what that article is trying to explain (and no, it's not semantics when one of those doesn't exist). I presume the total tax paid on the price of a bottle of Bourbon is also 70-80% and none of that is sent to the US, none of the tax paid on a bottle of Vodka is sent to Russia, etc. Excise duty is a sales tax, collected in the country of consumption and part of the revenue of the country of sale. Whisky is "exported" from Scotland to England without any taxes being paid.
I'm in the wrong game - off to set up a tax-free microdistillery re-branding 40% ethanol as gin, later losers!
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Whisky is taxed that much - vat and duty. Both are at the point of consumption so nothing is received for exports.
Under the GERS methodology, sales in E&W are allocated tax in E&W because that's where the liability arises. Only whisky purchased in Scotland has vat and duty accrued in Scotland because that's how tax works.
An undrinkable £10 bottle of whisky includes something around £7.50 vat and duty which goes straight to the government. Similar story for other alcoholic products and petrol/diesel - only at the point of purchase by a consumer does tax become payable.
You could choose to tax exports, but that's generally quite a bad idea because economics. The main export tax is VAT and that's a mechanism to let the exporter claim back the vat they have already paid.
Going back to the schools point - this is typical in that it is nothing to do with the SNP - Labour / lib dems in Holyrood and on CEC. there is plenty of things to beat the SNP with youwould think - so why so often do the SNPs critics do this - try to blame the SNP for things beyond their control?
Bloody Embra trams!
Poor SNP = victims and scapegoats. Sounds like karma in action to me.
indeed Duckman - again nowt to do with the SNP.
They cleverly rebrand PFI as NPD and fool the gullible into thinking they are doing anything difference. It must be great being a Scottish politician - you can get away with murder!!
Is THM [i]still[/i] answering my posts? I don't see them THM.
It really amuses me this tho - that people blame the SNP for things completely outwith their control / that happened before they came to power but miss the open goals of the SNP mistakes.
