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To clarify. Plain clothes officers are just a couple of neighbourhood officers who have bought a pair of jeans in for the day. This was not a specialist department requiring specialist surveillance training. This was considered to be a far cheaper and effective solution than having a near permanent PCSO presence.
No one was hurt. Everything was fine.
But when the same ends are easily achieved without causing the problem, do that.
Because, it's easier.
It's a pointless discussion anyway.
Plain Clothes Police don't get deployed to handle parking problems.
Traffic wardens possibly, but it will take some effort.
But then you're pandering to idiots. Why should they get to win? It's a similar argument to making cyclists obey the same rules as dangerous car drivers just because the 'they don't pay road tax' brigade might start running over cyclists out of spite.
But when the same ends are easily achieved without causing the problem, do that.Because, it's easier.
But, as pointed out at least twice now, the same ends are [i]not[/i] achieved. People go back to acting like dicks as soon as the uniforms disappear. Ever driven down a motorway and seen a bubble of impeccable driving around a Highway Patrol vehicle?
It's a pointless discussion anyway.
Because you're wrong? (-:
because you were wrong
No.
Because police can't issue parking fines based on photographic evidence.
They don't need the photo it's just a nice to have. They have witnessed the offence in person. BTW it's not a parking fine as such. Parking on the hashing is an endorsable offence.
I don't really understand why this is all so unbelievable.
it rains and can be cold in the winter
Diddums! 🙄
In 1963, I was in junior school, which was around half a mile from where I lived. I walked to school and back every day, for three months, in the snow, wearing a shirt, jumper, blazer, long trousers*, and a fish-tail parka (with all-important fur round the hood).
*I was the first kid in school to wear long trousers, because my mum thought it was too cold for shorts. She wasn't wrong, and all the other kids had them shortly after.
nealglover - Member
because you were wrong
[s]No.[/s] YesBecause police can't issue parking fines based on photographic evidence.
You're a lawyer?
Anyway, perhaps not, but I'm pretty sure photographic evidence can be used in a court of law, otherwise CCTV and speed camera evidence wouldn't be used, in which case, explain the proliferation of such cameras.
And at the very least, the photos can provide clear evidence of an on-going issue that could lead to further efforts to clamp down on the problem.
Whilst I'm inclined to agree with most on the matter of plain clothes I do agree that they could potentially get someone, if not into bother then looking like a massive tit.
Case in point: I was sitting in my (legally parked) car waiting on my missus one day when I spotted one of Glasgows finest sniffing round a bike. Watched him brazenly yank it about the place till the cheap twisty lock snapped just as I shouted at him. After the usual denials that he was up to anything off he sodded and I went back to my car only to be approached by his mates wanting to know what was going on. Fight or flight was kicking in as the tall one got beside me and his neddy bint of a girlfriend reached into her tracky top for a knife but instead pulled out her ID card. Turns out they were just out on safari looking for shoplifters.
Was close enough though that I was considering decking her and doing a runner, sure that would have ended well...
you're a lawyer
No.
But I know that parking fines need to be attached to the vehicle and cannot be issued by post based on cctv or photo evidence.
I don't have Kids..
BUT
We have a school just down the road and a small Tesco Express next-door to the school, it has parking spaces for 8 cars and it's a busy road too because it's thinly one in/out of the village. The random parking creates chaos and we've had police/pcso's patrol for the angst it causes.
We have 2 security guards on patrol in the Tescos carpark to stop parents coming in, parking, offloading kids then driving out.
It's quite hilarious watching the parents finger wag/window down/shout at the security guards and you should hear the language when they block the entrance..
There is a dedicated drop off point 50 mts up the road, built especially to simmer down the angst. 😆
Parking badly is driving without due care and can be prosecuted by a summons supported by photos . most coppers will do tasks in civilian clothes not just cid.
Many ops against anti social behaviour are done this way.
[quote=nealglover ]But I know that parking fines need to be attached to the vehicle and cannot be issued by post based on cctv or photo evidence.
Who mentioned "parking fines" (correctly known as penalty charge notices)? Oh yes, that was you!
Unless of course you meant a fine for bad parking (along with points which was mentioned when other people mentioned a fine, and should have given you a clue they were talking about something different), in which case you're wrong.
I'm sure you're enjoying yourself though, do carry on.
Parking fines can be issued by post later based on no photo evidence, so they surely can if they actually have photo evidence. . I know coz I received one. There is a bus stop outside our house and the local traffic wardens routinely ticket us if we leave a car there. (Parked across the dropped kerb to our drive)
One morning as I was setting off to work the warden turned up and my wife's car was on the bus stop. So I nipped in and got the keys and moved it. Got a ticket in the post which I questioned as they had no evidence. Answer was that they have the right to issue tickets after the event if the car is moved or if they feel threatened etc. the evidence they sent was a photo of the no parking sign...!
But I know that parking fines need to be attached to the vehicle and cannot be issued by post based on cctv or photo evidence.
cctv cars and vans can and do issue tickets by post once the film is proccessed to get the reg numbers.
also a ticket can be issued by post if the driver refuses to accept the ticket, throws it off vehicle or just drives off before completion of the vehicle info is filled in
Local school to me, they park on the zig zags AND the bloody zebra crossing to let their effin spawn decamp! Does my head in! Best day was when a bus broke down 50m from the school and blocked the road, one posh 4x4 bint looked like she was going to have a heart attack because her little darling was going to have to walk to the car.
cctv cars and vans can and do issue tickets by post once the film is proccessed to get the reg numbers.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/21/cctv-spy-cars-banned
Although I presumed it was parking fines that were being handed out.
If it wasn't then fair enough, I misunderstood.
Seeing as the topic is about parking, I suppose it was an easy enough mistake. But don't let that stop you getting excited aracer.
I live so close to my sons school we take a detour just to make the walk worth while, my neighbour is even closer and drive his kid to school but the drive takes longer then the walk as he has to go around the one way first but the real piss take is hevis not of to work afterwards. No he drives back home.
I live directly opposite an infants/juniors school in a very small cul de sac. As you can guess every morning and afternoon my road is swamped in the most ignorant people I've ever had the misfortune to come across. I've come home at three ish some days to find mothers/fathers parked actually on my drive with their bumpers up against my front door and others t-boning across the end of it. I had to have a row just to get on my drive. I've lost the plot so many times now that I am getting prepared to move as I will end up punching some guy as I cannot stand their arrogance. Its already got to the stage of verbal threats and fist to face so it's time I left this area!