I remember turning up at the campsite in Langdale (the first one, not the much nicer NT one along the road). It was busy but there was a big space at the far side of the field and we sallied forth. On reaching the big space, it became clear that the space existed due to a rats nest of a family who were drunkenly screeching at each other over a soundtrack of terrible music.
I'm firmly in the camp (pun intended) which believes in a bit of mutual respect and common decency.
I'm firmly in the camp (pun intended) which believes in a bit of mutual respect and common decency.
Me too.
TBH, it's not worth trying to reason with the morons.
Tried it loads of times, just ends up in conflict.
It's obvious to everyone, including them, that they're ruining the place for everyone else.
They just don't care.
If we're forced to move, I have found that pissing in or just outside their porch and stealing half their pegs whilst they're at the pub makes me feel a whole lot better about life.
Me too.TBH, it's not worth trying to reason with the morons.
Tried it loads of times, just ends up in conflict.
Whenever I've asked very politely, people have always behaved...maybe looking like a deranged serial killer helps with this? 😯
total lack of empathy for others peace of mind. Whether it's running your engine to keep warm [b]or playing audible music[/b] it shows a total disrespect for your neighbours.
Do you think that playing "audible music" during the hours that the rules allow it shows "total disrespect" ?
If you do, then you need to be at a sight where the rules match your expectations.
If you do, then you need to be at a sight where the rules match your expectations.
Again you are positioning blame towards the victim. Fundamentally this discussion is about the arrogance/ignorance of people that feel happy to create noise pollution in a communal area.
arrogance/ignorance of people that feel happy to create noise pollution in a communal area.
but "noise pollution" is subjective, I'd rather listen to music in a beautiful environment than the whining of those too passive to actually get of their backsides to communicate with others.
and there is no "victim" just those with differing opinions or expectations. Again actual communication with other humans works wonders, you should maybe get out of your little bubble and engage with people.
[b]Again you are positioning blame towards the victim. [/B]Fundamentally this discussion is about the arrogance/ignorance of people that feel happy to create noise pollution in a communal area.
Actually, I'm positioning the the blame with the person who is claiming they are a "Victim"
You described someone playing "Audible music"
Not Loud, or Offensive, just "Audible"
If its within the hours that are allowed on the site, then what have you actually been a "Victim" of ??
If you don't like people playing music at all, then go to a place that doesn't allow it.
If they are not breaking the rules if the site, Why should you get what you want at the expense of anyone else ?
The person playing the music (within the rules) would actually be the "victim" if they were made to stop because you complained.
Again I think we're losing sight of the OP opening argument. We're not debating levels or rules but someone creating noise in a communal environment. Subjective personal comments are a side issue and not part of the debate. Again people are projecting their own taste onto others in the argument that;
I'd rather listen to music in a beautiful environment than the whining of those too passive to actually get of their backsides to communicate with others.
Its this assumption that one is the harbinger of good taste is what I was describing. Why should someone have to "get off their backside" to ask you to turn down your "beautiful" music? Again the assumption that people that you are sharing your environment with, don't have the right not to have to listen to your music. There has to be the possibility that the people sharing your campsite haven't traveled with the purpose of engaging with you?
Again I think we're losing sight of the OP opening argument. We're not debating levels or rules but someone creating noise in a communal environment. [B]Subjective personal comments are a side issue and not part of the debate[/b].
Then why did you post your subjective personal comments then ?
If you hadn't posted them you wouldn't have to tell me off for disagreeing with them would you 🙄
They seemed like you thought they were "part of the debate" when you posted them, but now all of a sudden they are not. I'm confused.
A modern diesel ticking over can be quite a nice noise. An [s]erberscasher[/s] [s]eberspasher[/s] diesel fired space heater can actually be quite noisy in operation from the outside, like a miniature jet engine, without the goosebumps. A good thick sleeping bag is however, fairly quiet.
If you hate ticking over motors you'd hate our firm; we leave our vans running for the entire time that they are operational this time of year, parked up outside addresses, sides of roads, on base, wherever. Saves the downtime of having to arrange a jump start when the batteries inevitably get dragged down by the onboard electrics, and saves the boot time for the satnav type gear, which can seem an age.
just light a great big fire.
Camping used to be fun whewn people respected each other but there are too many muppets around now who are more interested in their rights than their responsibilities. After a couple of nightmare experiences in popular campsites, I only wild camp nowadays.
Playing loud music, kicking footballs around late at night and all the rest are just signs of inability to imagine the effect of one's actions on others and the inability to think in abstract terms is what defines a true moron.
Playing loud music, kicking footballs around late at night
These are both things that I would agree are not on.
Torihada was talking about "audible" music though, not loud music.
That just sounds like someone who loves to complain and will find anything to complain about.
An Eberspächer diesel fired space heater can actually be quite noisy in operation from the outside, like a miniature jet engine
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I would hate the idea of having to camp in the UK. French sites are so much more civilized with respect for fellow campers.
What's this crazy world you speak of whereby people communicate with one another... in person, face-to-face?! What if the person you are communicating with doesn't approve of what you are saying/requesting? They might reject it or shun it, or even be a bit funny with you about it.No, better to talk about it over a forum where the responses can literally be ignored.
"Hi, mate, do you mind if I play music? I know otherwise it would be quiet out here so I though I'd pop over and ask"
"Hi, mate, do you mind if I play music? I know otherwise it would be quiet out here so I though I'd pop over and ask"
This would be fine, I'm just confused why the onus should be on the person wanting piece and quiet (presumably the 'default' for being in the countryside) to ask for music not to be on.
go and have a chat with them, take a beer as a peace offering, you never know you may actually meet some interesting people.
Interesting indeed. On a campsite a couple of while back we met a chap whose daughter had been murdered by her husband many years ago. It was pretty much the first thing he said to us. The husband was coming out of jail the next week, and this was the last holiday this chap was taking before he exacted his revenge on his daughters killer. I didn't enquire into details, the conversation trailed off somewhat after that.
Needless to say we didn't play any loud music, or indeed do anything that might have possibly annoyed anyone that evening. 😯
The only way to ensure nothing but the sound of the wind and the odd antisocial sheep is to wild camp in a carefully chosen spot. If you're in a car, picking tiny, slightly out of the way campsites is the next best option.
The general societal attitude that life needs background music, and that the default is that it's OK for that to be broadcast to whoever is nearby is pretty well entrenched - as some of the responses on this thread show - and sadly it's just unrealistic to go to big campsites in tourist areas and expect any different.
Needless to say we didn't play any loud music, or indeed do anything that might have possibly annoyed anyone that evening.
And now you know how to introduce yourself when chatting to folk at campsites. 🙂
I get wound up by people leaving their engines running outside schools or at level crossings, so I'm fully with the OP on that one.
But [i]driving[/i] miles across the "wilderness" and then bitching on the internet about other people playing music... is that an April Fool?
But driving miles across the "wilderness" and then bitching on the internet about other people playing music... is that an April Fool?
I found that rather ironic too.
Note: it is possible to use the Internet without making a noise or impacting anyone else
This would be fine, I'm just confused why the onus should be on the person wanting piece and quiet (presumably the 'default' for being in the countryside) to ask for music not to be on.
Because if the campsite has a "No Music After 9PM" rule then anyone would presume that it's perfectly ok to play music before 9PM.
Because if the campsite has a "No Music After 9PM" rule then anyone would presume that it's perfectly ok to play music before 9PM.
No, the national park has a 'no noise after 9pm' rule. It also has emphasis on respecting others' and the wildlife's peace and quiet at all times.
Note: it is possible to use the Internet without making a noise or impacting anyone else
It was the, "I'm in the wilderness why, can't people enjoy the wilderness" being posted that I found ironic.
It's also possible to enjoy the quiet of the wilderness, and still read and post on the Internet, as there happens to be signal. I assume in your world you should only take paper books, and not a kindle?
I assume in your world you should only take paper books, and not a kindle?
No. In my world if you can get a data signal from a domestic mobile service you're not in the wild.
Sorry, I think I may have started this music stuff bickering. Just to clarify, I don't mind a bit of music but the bass on car stereos is usually all you can hear from any distance and can be heard by all the campsite, so you end up playing 'guess the tune' from the bassline. Ironically the perpetrators don't seem to like others' music, so end up turning their's up to drown out the neighbours' inferior tunes.
wilderness you've reached by driving a 4x4 across for 40km?
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No. In my world if you can get a data signal from a domestic mobile service you're not in the wild.
Well, about 20 Kms away across a bay as the crow flies, there is a small village. I assume the mast is there, and that the expanse of flat water doesn't put up much resistance to 3G signal. It's an entirely 3G network in oz, so you either have 3G or nothing.
Ah seems a bit more like.
