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if Scotland win by more than 7 and deny Japan a losing BP
Only flaw in that reasoning is that, based on their performances against Ireland, Japan have to be favorites to win, probably with a bonus point.
You shouldn’t post on an empty head.
Only flaw in that reasoning is that, based on their performances against Ireland, Japan have to be favorites to win, probably with a bonus point
Yeah, you're absolutely right that on comparative results Japan have to be favourites. I'm just giving the best case scenario for worried Scotland fans.
Mind you, the way Scotland can play makes Japan a good match up for them so it's not a simple Ireland beat Scotland by 24pts and Japan beat Ireland by 7ots so the margin will be 31pts type sum.
Only flaw in that reasoning is that, based on their performances against Ireland, Japan have to be favorites to win, probably with a bonus point.
Not according to the bookies.
Jamie Joseph is on record as saying that they targeted the Ireland match, training for over a year. (CF Ireland who trained since the Monday before to beat Japan) so it is much more likely to be a one off. However they do look good and there is hope. Fingers crossed.
Jamie Joseph is on record as saying that they targeted the Ireland match, training for over a year. (CF Ireland who trained since the Monday before to beat Japan) so it is much more likely to be a one off. However they do look good and there is hope. Fingers crossed.
I would have thought that a year's training to beat the Irish wouldn't be entirely wasted going into a Scotland match. Factor in the home tournament boost, and I do fear for the Scots. Going to be an edgy game, though.
Yeah no doubt, but training to beat one team is not the same as being a well accomplished side with an array of attacking and defence strategies... (Which is really only NZ anyway).
But yeah I am hoping to see the Japanese win against Scotland, fingers crossed that it is a real possibility.
In 2015, after beating SA, Japan then:
Scotland 45-10 Japan
Samoa 5- 26 Japan
USA 18- 28 Japan
Yeah, and just like last WC we had lots on here banging on about how they would beat us. Yet we weren't the home nations team that didn't qualify from the group stage, who was that again?...Mind you; the above claim of a bonus point win for Japan is a new one.
I do not think any sensible rugby fan would see Scotland beating Japan with a 4 try bonus point and denying them a bonus point ( which I think is what we will need) is an impossible task. However its certainly a difficult one and a perhaps even improbable one.
I love to see smaller teams win. I just wish that is not so often at Scotlands expense!
I said before this all started that the Japan / Scotland game could be the game of the opening rounds. Now it looks even more likely to be an epic clash! Two teams that have attacking philosophies both knowing what they need from the game to go through and let the fireworks start.
Scotlands emphatic win against Samoa really sets this up. One for the neutrals. Me I will be in my pillow fort behind the sofa with a bottle of gin!
In 2015, after beating SA, Japan then:
Scotland 45-10 Japan
Samoa 5- 26 Japan
USA 18- 28 Japan
Japan only had four days between the SA and Scotland games last time. This time round they'll be much better rested.
What are the match turnarounds like? Can Japan come into the game with a rested first choice team? This will have a big impact on Scotlands chances.
For example Fiji having lost to Uruguay will now see the match v Georgia as a must win and its not long after the Wales game so they could rest players v Wales. Meanwhile Wales have over a week till Fiji and then just 4 days till Uruguay so will go fully loaded into Fiji and then play the reserves v Uruguay but some will likely start v Fiji and bench v Uruguay. The fixtures are crazy no one should be asked to play in 2 pro games inside a week
duckman, its just idle speculation, how England did or will do, is of no relevance to whether or not Japan has the stones to beat you.
Anyway fret not, I fully expect England to get stomped by Argentina and France so you will have plenty to crow about later. And given the fact that England are a billions times bigger than you with a billion times more budget, but you often find yourselves beating us or doing better than us in various comps should be a source of pride.
AA I agree about the turnaround, 4 days is crazy.
I would be very surprised if Japan have not been doing specific training to beat Scotland as well
I would have Scotland as slight favourites for the win but coming up short on the bonus point situation so Japan end up going thru
Scotlands turnaround is only 4 days - but its Russia before that so we really should be able to rest players and / or protect them. Expect Hogg, Russell, Nel and others to get a rest
The 4 day turnaround is no excuse at all.
The 4 day turnaround is no excuse at all.
I agree no excuse for the top tier teams, it all falls nicely for Wales as the players can rest from Fiji until a 1/4 final, my point was how it all falls for Japan will have a big impact for them, the drop off between first and second teams is huge for Wales U expect its bigger for Japan.
I don't see how the 4 day turnaround is an issue for us. Medium strength team against Russia then an emptying of the bench when (not counting chickens) a bonus point is achieved. Russia gassed really badly against the Japanese I think against heavier sides such as us and Ireland it could be horrible for them.
I don’t see how the 4 day turnaround is an issue for us.
That wasnt my point, I was wondering how the fixtures are for Japan as it would harm them more.
They get a long time to prepare for scotland - more than a week IIRC. this time around the fixtures favour them - last time it was us!
Fair enough, game on then!!
Not being cheeky - genuine question - I can understand "specific training" to play a team that has few weaknesses - but how does a team train "specifically" to beat a team with so many weaknesses?
Surely that then becomes "general training"?
Aye - imagine fiddling the schedule to favour the hosts even tho they are tier 2!
I have no problem with this actually - given the unfairness to them last time especially. I also doubt it was done deliberately
Not being cheeky – genuine question – I can understand “specific training” to play a team that has few weaknesses – but how does a team train “specifically” to beat a team with so many weaknesses?
Surely that then becomes “general training”?
I dunno, I am only repeating the Japan coach, he implied that their whole RWC campaign was based on beating Ireland.
Note to Scotland. Don't play like Ireland..
It sounds like post-match trash talk to me! "We meant this to happen it was totally on purpose so be afraid". Aye right.
Maybe, but the same thing happened with SA. It sounds more like humility to me, the guy was feeling sorry for Ireland as they have to prepare for all opponents. Japan coach was admitting that his team are unlikely to do so well against anyone else.
he implied that their whole RWC campaign was based on beating Ireland
I don't think he meant the whole campaign, but rather that they kept an eye on Ireland's players and tactics and made sure they trained to neutralize the dangers. New Zealand did a similar thing against South Africa, any serious team will do that. Ireland probably didn't take Japan seriously enough and assumed they would be easy-beats. It doesn't mean that Japan won't have also kept an eye on Scotland and came up with tactics to counter how they expect Scotland will play. Japan would have assumed that they would lose to Ireland, but hoped to earn a losing bonus point. That, plus beating Scotland should have been enough to get through to the QFs. Obviously, they would have been keeping a close eye on Scotland because they would have assumed that beating Scotland was their only serious hope to advancing.
but rather that they kept an eye on Ireland’s players and tactics and made sure they trained to neutralize the dangers. New Zealand did a similar thing against South Africa, any serious team will do that.
Apparently Cheika admitted to not having watched Wales six nations games. Explains why no one thought to tell Genia that Davies will be looking to pick off flat passes to forwards out wide from the ruck. Even the Scots woke up to this one eventually!!
I do not think any sensible rugby fan would see Scotland beating Japan with a 4 try bonus point and denying them a bonus point ( which I think is what we will need)
No that's not neccesarily the case. Assuming Japan and Scotland go into the fixture on 14 and 10 points respectively then Scotland need to gain 4pts over Japan from the game.
So:
Scotland beat Japan by 7+ with no BPs awarded.
Scotland beat Japan by 7+ points with both teams earning a try BP.
Scotland beat Japan by less than 7pts and Scotland earn a try BP but Japan don't.
Scotland go through in all 3 cases because if teams finish on equal points then the 1st tie breaker is the head-to-head record.
Apparently Cheika admitted to not having watched Wales six nations games.
I did say "any serious team". Cheika is a clown.
South African replace Kriel with Willemse, takes the total to 18 Saracen players at the world cup good job the Premiership hasn`t started yet !
So when are my new favourite team of stout yeomen englanders playing?
#carryithomeboys
#redrosepride
#pleaselosetoAusinthequarters
Swooon
You know he's married now, AA?
You know he’s married now, AA?
So is my wife if it doesnt stop her 😉
#pleaselosetoAusinthequarters
Funny man, you know damn well we won't make it out of the group stages. And if we do we will be in 2nd place, which means we will probably get you!
Look I dont want to play England in the quarters, Argentina would be good if not pray for our scrum v France...You England lot need to be positive, you can easily beat Argentina and should beat France the all we need is you to beat NZ, you do all the bloody time compared to us and us to beat SA, could happen, no laughing at then back and the...imagine the shit on here if it was England Wales in the final...my head would explode!!
PS watch us lose to Fiji!!!
ha ha, I don't want to play Wales in the quarters! If anyone can bogey us its Wales.
PS I appreciate the need to be positive, but I don't think anyone in the England setup reads STW, in fact I expect the readership stats for this thread amount to about 20 blokes only.
PS I appreciate the need to be positive, but I don’t think anyone in the England setup reads STW, in fact I expect the readership stats for this thread amount to about 20 blokes only.
You break my heart!!
Now come on england
come on england
come on england
come on england
come on england
I'm not singing that shit song though, sorry.
Note to Scotland. Don’t play like Ireland..
We don't. We play like the anti ireland! I am certain Japan will have tactics to negate us - as indeed ireland did the sneaky beggers!
What I want to know is how come if Scotland get out of our group we get either SA or NZ - the two best teams in the tournament arguably and England get either Argentina or France.
Not fair - the big bully boys are fixing it to give us no chance
*Sulks*
I’m not singing that shit song though, sorry.
Which one? The one Negro slaves used to sing to give themselves hope of an afterlife free from the horrific conditions of slavery. The same one England fans decided to use to serenade a black winger...Or a different one? I mean ours is a sodding dirge about a battle nearly 800 years ago, but c’mon guys!
England get either Argentina or France.
England get Wales or Australia
The one Negro slaves used to sing to give themselves hope of an afterlife free from the horrific conditions of slavery.
Yeah that one
still not NZ or SA - its a conspiracy I tell you to do down the poor downtrodden scots!
NZ or SA – its a conspiracy I tell you to do down the poor downtrodden scots!
Errr.....shouldn't you be worrying about Japan first?
If Jamie Joseph happens to be one of the 20 blokes that read this thread then you've just given him his pre-match team talk.
If he's here he'll be around to stamp on this soon!!!
namaste - I am - but assuming we go thru whats the reward - a slapping from the big boys.