citing is alllowed then clearly the referee is sometimes wrong
I thought the citing said no samction ie the yellow was right. Not a red so no ban.
IGM,
think you're applying the laws from 25 years ago to that incident.
If I was playing now and played the way that was normal for me 30 years ago I'd collect a red card most games.
I may be.
You'll be telling me I can't punch next.
But seriously, Daly jumps. From that point on physics says he lands on his back at best.
If I was really interested in stopping injury, I'd have carded Daly.
Now Daly's tackle in the Argentina match...
you must have been living under a bridge for the last 25 years 😆
Quite possibly.
But that Brown Daly tackle was inevitable as soon as Daly jumped wasn't it?
Daly doesn't jump into the tackle. Not even a little bit. He passes the ball and no more.
You can clearly see Brown lifting his leg at 5-6s and in fact both legs at 23s. Lifting both a players legs in the air whilst pushing him backwards with your shoulder isn't even borderline. Dangerous tackle (very f***ing dangerous in fact), and he's very lucky not to get a red, purely because the sanctions are based on the result (whether you agree with it or not), and Daly didn't finish the game. The only rules relevant are the rules at the time of the game, and this was a yellow by quite a long way.
So where's IGM admitting his error? Or does he still think Daly jumped. jeez why am I even getting into a discussion about it?? 😆
At 19s in that clip, just at the moment of contact Daly goes up on both his toes. To be fair I don't think he's left the ground until after the contact, but you can see him jumping (flinching if you prefer) at that point.
Brown just tries to wrap I'm and drive through. Text book frontal tackle.
He's running ffs!!
Two footed running? Both Daly's feet are planted and he goes up on his toes.
Two footed running is achievable for most people with more than the average number of legs!!
Seriously though, we must be watching different things because to me Daly is running, he plants his left leg and is tackled as his right leg is following through. At no point does he jump or go up on his toes.
At 19s in that clip, just at the moment of contact Daly goes up on both his toes.
He had passed the ball, that's why he was so upright. He didn't jump into the tackle, nobody in their right mind would jump into the air with a 20-odd stone bloke just about to crash into you.
Seriously guys. In a world where people can vote for Donny, do you really think a bit of video evidence is going to convince someone who sees what he wants to see? This is an unwinnable argument.
The laws an ass - as you can see by the actual outcome from the two Daly incidents
As @wrecker said Brown was lucky not to get a Red it was a far worse tackle than Warb's in the RWC SF. Brown is responsible for putting the player down safely having lifted his feet off the ground and rotated him.
My 2 cents pumped up Scottish forward out to make a mark on an English back in first minutes of the game. About as accidental as the AB two man spear tackle on BOD when Lions captain.
You know what Jamba - you really do hate the scots don't you. Your attitude is close to racism. I won't engage with you any further.
My 2 cents pumped up Scottish forward out to make a mark on an English back in first minutes of the game.
Absolutely agree with that. I just think he drove the tackle through him and the danger was brought about by Daly's poor positioning.
jambalaya - Member
As @wrecker said Daly was lucky not to get a Red it was a far worse tackle than Warb's in the RWC SF. Daly is responsible for putting the player down safely.
It's generally the culprit rather than the victim who gets a card.
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Naah. Jamba had it right first time. Red for Daly for endangering himself (yes now I'm trolling)
Greve - the most important French word to know.
Well, if you knew it, you'd know that it's grève.
pumped up Scottish forward out to make a mark on an English back in first minutes of the game.
Nothing in the least bit racist about that, TJ. The use of the words Scottish and English denote the teams each player was playing for. Not sure how else it could be described, really.
Pumped up forwards making a mark eh?
While I was amazed Brown got no further sanction I was also very surprised this wasn't looked at again
Two contacts; neither below the neck. One comes from the golden child though,so nothing to see; even though his arm is adjusted as Hogg steps him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CammyBlack/status/841252200357720064/video/1
Duckman - have you seen the cleaning out at the ruck from the same twitter thread?
The way the game is going with inconsistent video ref interventions, or lack of, is very worrying imo.
Or is it that we're all poring over every minute detail of everything after the game and we have trial by twitter?
Endless loops of anything even remotely contentious are now the sine qua non of post match analysis.
No things youvsee obviously in real time are missed and then we get the replay of Sexton literally head butting Davies knee replayed wtf was that all about. They only seem to look at injuries or when a play goes down clutching his face like he's been shot
the sine qua non of post match analysis.
You wot?
Iz it coz I are edjumerkated?
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You know what Jamba - you really do hate the scots don't you. Your attitude is close to racism. I won't engage with you any further.
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I've completely lost track of what constitutes a red or yellow card these days. I thought I had a handle on it up until a few months ago where basically anything that made contact with the head was red but that directive has either been rescinded or it was quietly abandoned like the straight put in at the scrum.
Can anyone give me a brief summary of what is the current official line and what is the current situation on the ground? I don't think I'm the only one who's confused.
TJ - I'm afraid I believe Jambalaya is spot on. The more I think about it, the reason Scotland didn't show up last week, was they tried the old "hate the English" passion game, which put their heads in the wrong place, losing their new style that has been working so well. Browns tackle demonstrated this to perfection. Hit late (decision made to smash him) then spear tackle, then head butts him on the floor. Mentally gone. Controlled aggression is fine, but you need to be thinking.
Talk of a possible match between England and the ABs THIS year!
November 4th the ABs are scheduled to play the BaaBaas at Twickenham outside the international window. THey would pocket £2 million for that but it seems Ian Ritchie is considering an England/NZ game instead but the ABs want half the gate money - £3million.
CFH - its the constant denigration of Scotland from Jamba that got to me finally. He accused Brown of doing it deliberately. His hatred of Scotland and the Scots is just getting to me.
Dantsw - total nonsense. Yes Brown lost his head but there was no deliberate targeting and I really don't think you understand - the english are not hated and certainly not by the Scottish team
Well said dan
Can anyone give me a brief summary of what is the current official line and what is the current situation on the ground?
If any player makes any kind of tackle where there's any contact above the waist of the tackled player then it's a yellow card.
If the tackled player then rolls around on the ground in the manner of an association footballer - it's a red card.
[i]TJ - I'm afraid I believe Jambalaya is spot on[/i]
Agreed. Like jambalaya I'm anti Scot's being dangerous bastards!
[i]Talk of a possible match between England and the ABs THIS year![/i]
Now [i]that's[/i] interesting!
Totally agree with Jamba that Brown was fired up and went out looking to make a statement early on. Don't think that he deliberately tried to tip him, but just slightly mistimed his hit and there you go. I still think that he was quite lucky to escape a red.
Anyway, moving on to this weekend......love the final Saturday, although it does tend to mean a rather unproductive day and me hammered by 7pm!
its the constant denigration of Scotland from Jamba that got to me finally
That and the 61-21 drubbing!
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Jamba said it was a deliberate intent to injure. It wasn't and his constant hatred he shows for the scots got me angry
Anyway enough on that
Jamba said it was a deliberate intent to injure
You have to remember Jamba talks a lot of shit!!
You need to be all calm and zen like in the face of provicative shite...
You know like I am when Zokes turns up 🙁
I always assumed that a front row player in this situation early in a game would have been coached to send a message to the opposing backs. Ok perhaps not coached officially, but certainly not discouraged (providing you don't get carded, obviously)
Wales 23 unchanged for France...suprised Faletau hasnt started, he'll have to rely on Gatland giving him a free pass to the Lions.
"surprised Faletau hasn't started"
I am not , not looked his old self since coming back . Anonymous for Bath .
Browns tackle demonstrated this to perfection. Hit late (decision made to smash him) then spear tackle, then head butts him on the floor.
Dan, either you think it was a spear tackle or you think it was a tip tackle. It's very difficult to lift the legs (tip) without using the arms - practically impossible. So you can't tip and spear. It's the lack of objective observation that makes me pity some on here. (I'll put a smiley in at this point - but it only applies to the last sentence) 😉
Late I might give you. It certainly wasn't early. In fact if he'd been done for a late tackle I'd probably have said fair enough.
