I seem to remember you slating him anyway
He developed into a decent club player. He may have won a few caps for Wales too but that doesn't say a lot.
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Don’t think so, although no Welsh based players were getting contracts for a long time (hence the potential six nations strike) and after he was being picked in the Scotland squad he would have become less valuable.
He was working in a meat processing plant and playing for a Welsh Premier team, there was an interview with him last couple of days. 3 stone lighter now apparently.
We’re not getting out of the pool stages, are we?
Unlikely. We need an 8pt or more win against Ireland with a try bonus point I believe
He developed into a decent club player. He may have won a few caps for Wales too but that doesn’t say a lot.
Wheras playing in Scotland he has got fitter, lighter and turned into a good pro and worth a international place. There is no doubt he has become a better player since coming to Scotland. One thing we are good at is nuturing and developing talent.
He was working in a meat processing plant and playing for a Welsh Premier team, there was an interview with him last couple of days. 3 stone lighter now apparently.
That was in about 2016 before he joined Scarlets (well he was in the academy initially) after being dumped by Glasgow I think it was.
There is no doubt he has become a better player since coming to Scotland.
Yep no doubt getting into such a winning system has done him no end of good. Future British Lion and Grand Slam star in the making, well, after he's won the world cup obviously!
One thing
we areToonie is good at is nuturing and developing talent.
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NOt just Toonie.
Because the Scots teams have not got the financial resources to buy stars or keep the ones we develop we have had to get used to looking for bargain players and developing them
Duhan. Sabestian, Nakamura, Mata, are 4 examples whos career was made by coming to Scotland
Doh!
Unlikely. We need an 8pt or more win against Ireland with a try bonus point I believe
It’s either or rather than both as if a team is level on points it comes down to head to head not points difference. Scotland are 4 points behind Ireland. Huge ask of course but not impossible.
Has Jevan even played for Edinburgh yet? His remarkable transformation from average club tighthead to Scottish Collosus has been in what 5 Scotland caps.
Meanwhile shit box Scarlets in the same time as Jevan played were only able to take discarded irish lock Tadgh Bierne and turn him into a bang average lock who couldn't in his wildest dreams consider a handful of caps for Scotland.
It’s either or rather than both as if a team is level on points it comes down to head to head not points difference. Scotland are 4 points behind Ireland. Huge ask of course but not impossible.
And if Scotland do win, which I hope they do, it will be awful for Ireland, who have looked to be the best team, certainly for me, so far. I’m hoping Tonga pull something out of their hat today, and beat South Africa, or at least keep the score below 3 tries, that’d mean a good chance of Ireland and Scotland going through. If SA win today, then it’s going to be either Ireland or Scotland going through isnt it?
On another point, it was said to me this morning, why are so many awful teams playing in the WC?
If it was football, Romania would have lost 10-0. That just doesnt happen in the football WC. Rugby is looking rubbish for the last few years, I used to love the game (still play), but watching it is turgid, so many stoppages, reviews for so many things that do slow the game down. Teams that just cannot compete with the top 5 or 6 teams. Italy have been in the 6 nations for 20+ years, they have improved, slightly, but being honest, if they win, they have been very lucky, or their opponents have been dire. 2 premier clubs have gone bust, now the best Championship side has gone bust, the Welsh regions are struggling to keep going, grassroots Clubs struggle for players. It needs a big reform from top to bottom, or, in 20 years time, there will be so few players, it’ll only be the top 5 international teams and a few feeder clubs who are still here.
@alanl I agree with a lot of what you say. I think WorldRugby had the idea that they would copy football. They meant to expand rugby by copying the World Cup, unfortunately they have ended up copying the Champions League. In that a tiny number of teams are genuine competitors for the trophy. Football built up following or markets in countries all over the world before TV grew to the size it is ,but rugby didnt. Rugby does not have the worldwide marketing appeal of football an d it is doing it's growing up in the full media and social media spotlight.
I also think the way our governments spend money on sport needs to change. We spend money on elites in a number of different sports, supposedly their examples will inspire others. It is "trickle down" economics again. It does not work. We should fund sports and exercise to be available for all conveniently, cheaply or free if possible. If this means shutting down our elite sports programmes so be it the benefits to physical and mental health will be worth it many times over. Free or cheap participation in sport builds up a stronger grassroots game, That I think is where rugby is weak particularly in Scotland bur I suspect in many other countries which have teams competing in the RWC,
Two solutions IMO. Ensure the tier two countries get more meaningful games. There should be a south american tour and a pacific island tour from one of the tier one nations every year. Money and exposure to a high standard of rugby for the tier two teams - same in Europe for Georgia etc
The WC in its early incarnation split into cup / bowl / shield competitions after the first rounds. that again would give the smaller teams more meaningful games
Well Portugal look up for it. Australia looked beaten in the anthems
Hmmm - I wasn't going to bother watching - seen enough mismatches.
Portuguese tight head was right, Aussie loose head didn't take the pressure.
C'mon Portugal 😃
Oops 🙂 when do we start feeling sorry for Australia?
Woo hoo!!!
If the scores remain the same at full time...
Damn! That possible red card is so disappointing for the game.
Thankfully as a neutral, yellow is much better.
It should remain yellow. Low force, passive (ish) tackle, possibly indirect contact.
We not checking Aussie head shots, two phases before the turnover that led to the try.
It should remain yellow. Low force, passive (ish) tackle, possibly indirect contact.
That was my initial thought, but I was swayed by the experts 🤷🤦
Forward pass on the right wing. No checks at all
Guass - its driving me crackers the stupidity of the commentators over the cards and bunker system. they just have no idea how the protocol works and its feeding fans complaints
Agreed. Also, about 30% of all they say is pure pish. I don't know how they get their jobs.
The yellow/red looked to go through the shoulder. Probably didn't even warrant a yellow. But the bunker makes it an easy option. Which massively disadvantages a team. I'm afraid Joy is not being at her best.
I've started making dinner could only take the first 20or so.
Adamson is always picky and very rules based. I think It was yellow but only that
Tmo is making it up
I only saw the second half.... Australia looked awful again.
They've got the Lions in 2025, and they'll be lucky to not lose every game to nil on current form. Then they've got the RWC 27, at best they can hope to scrape a QF with minimal interest from the home crowd ...leaving the remaining teams bar NZ (and maybe Fiji) watching games with a 10 hour time difference. Not a great situation for rugby as a whole.
Skimming the aus game the tmo and ref are clearly at odds over the pen/try it's a try or deliberate knock on.
Commentary is utter dribble 63 mins gone por have a pen and he suggests a kick at goal.
Up to 66mins so far and Australia are setting up penalties as line of defense they look awful
Getting seriously peed off with the pundits and commentators who seem to have decided that Ireland and South Africa will be in the quarter finals from their group. Last time I looked it's still undecided....
Who do we petition so we can have a set of games for the 3rd place teams to playoff for a ‘B’ final?
The games could be held mid-week in the run up to each main weekend.
The ‘lesser’ teams get more time in the tournament for experience against competitive opposition. The fans get more games from the fun teams. The organisers and sponsors sell more tickets.
This was done in an earlier WC. Cup bowl and plate competitions. made a lot of sense. IIRC top 2 in the groups went into the main comp for the cup, 3rd in pools into the bowl, 4th in pools for the plate
I don't know why it was changed
seem to have decided that Ireland and South Africa will be in the quarter finals from their group
Pretty much a sealed deal. No way are Scotland going to Bonus point beat Ireland, but leave them with a losers BP.
It doesn't matter, second in the group will face France and I can't see either team besting France.
The Aussie game was horrible rugby. Cynical, bad faith rugby and the main defence was penalties. Portugal played an honourable game despite this and by the end I was booing Jones as well.
top 2 in the groups went into the main comp for the cup, 3rd in pools into the bowl, 4th in pools for the plate
I don’t know why it was changed
No-one unpacked the dishwasher.
This was done in an earlier WC
Don't remember that.
The ‘lesser’ teams get more time in the tournament for experience against competitive opposition
No way to refer to Scotchland and Australia
I suspect we will get the bonus point against ireland but a last minute kick gives them a bonus point that puts us out. that would be the Scots way
LOlz @ Molgrips!
No TJ we'll be two points up with 90secs to go then the ref cockles his ankle and Craig Joubert comes on. We lose by 30 points.
