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English people are such bad sportsmen when it doesn't go thier way. Wales dominated that match, get over it guys.
English people are such bad sportsmen when it doesn’t go thier way
Not at all a massive generalisation!!
I think most of the english fans became welsh here. after all we do know that all wales losses are down to the ref 🙂
I think most of the english fans became welsh here. after all we do know that all wales losses are down to the ref 🙂
Heheheh 🙂
Well, I for one look forward to the laws being rewritten to rule out any more tries like this being scored against England ever again.
But not as much as I'm looking forward to one of these rule re-writes costing England a game in about 18 months time.
Nope, I think most acknowledge that it wasn't the defining reason England lost, personally I'm quite pleased as I don't think Jones is a good coach so the sooner he goes the better.
I debate it as a rugby fan, most people within the game have said it is a knock on apart from a few ABE here (perfectly acceptable too!). It seems if you have an opinion as an English fan sometimes you are whingeing.
Personally I have started watching a lot of the Pro 14 as well as English club rugby, and in doing so you see players that you like and admire so although I am an England fan I now have several Welsh players who I admire and think are some of the best players I've seen. I like to see these players do well. And evening going back the likes of BOD and POC for Ireland were similar players.
i do like squige's videos, he got great rugby brain, and eye for the strategic and technical detail that i often miss (even if watching when sober!)
the additional footage of Adam's first try pretty much closes any debate, although i know a few have been making that point for a while, down to England's naivety and a seemingly pre planned move by wales (i initially thought it just great opportunism). interesting point about neutering engalnds main attacking platform by keeping the ball in play. i thought they were doing what they normally tend to do - keep it in play, back their own defence and fitness, comfortable with limited possession and wait for the mistakes & tirdenss to creep in for the opposition.
i know rest weekends are crucial, but i want more rugby this weekend
As above ^^ - thats enlightening and I don't have the ability to see that either. Pre RWC England/Jones made much of "using the time without the ball". Well its seems that Wales spotted their propensity to have a meeting between periods of play and took advantage.
neutering engalnds main attacking platform by keeping the ball in play
When you think about it in hindsight, Jones has been saying for years "Englands strength is its set-piece", which of course Wales played out of.
Well done.
personally I’m quite pleased as I don’t think Jones is a good coach so the sooner he goes the better.
Do you think the RFU jumped away from Lancaster too quick after it went wrong at the WC? They started off really bright under him but it is like the RFU told him he had to be more prescriptive with the players. The England players seem to have shone on Lions tours when they are told (or don't have time to train to be formulaic) to have a free reign and play what they see. At times against Wales (and Scotland) they kicked away possession when not needed as if Jones says if you are in X you need to do Y rather than let them play. I agree - I would like him to go but don't know who would take over.
i know rest weekends are crucial, but i want more rugby this weekend
Yeh the two rest weekend really make for a ponderous tournament now!
Yeh the two rest weekend really make for a ponderous tournament now!
don't get me wrong, i dont think they should change it, i'm just being an impatient child who wants the italy wales game now!
Well its seems that Wales spotted their propensity to have a meeting between periods of play and took advantage
i think pivac is starting to turn wales into pretty sharp and savvy operators. gats instilled a toughness and dogedness that made wales a difficult and often niggly team to beat, pivac seems to be building on that and making us more clinical and less prescribed in our play (although very early days, watch us have a mini melt down against the azzuri!)
there was an interesting stat that i read this week (can't remember where - although it could actually be the squidge video, but sure i read similar elsewhere) that although wales are spending comparatively little time in the opponents 22, they come away with the highest average points per visit at 3.5 ie, they don't go there often but when they do they're good at taking their opportunities.
really looking forward to all the fixtures in round 4
@Bear Bollocks fella I'm not ABE, I think that the discussion is pretty good, the laws not so much. I assume (as you assume I'm ABE) that you don't like the fact that actually a moment in the match which is much discussed might actually have been a call correctly made within the limited scope of the laws. Even though everyone agrees it looks like a knock-on.
Are you a member of BEBE? Blaim everyone but England?
I think most of the english fans became welsh here. after all we do know that all wales losses are down to the ref 🙂
Is Andre Joubert allowed in Scotland yet? It's been 5 years... 😀
One hundred - I’m not accusing anybody or blaming anyone except England for their defeat, merely debating. I get the ABE stance most of the time, it just seems that a lot of people on here think otherwise to people within the game from both sides and even the referee now apparently. Each to their own and all that, personally I think they were the wrong call, but altering the outcome of the game I’m not so sure
Oh and although possibly wrong call hopefully it might send a message to teams to hurry up!
Lancaster has to be earning at least 200k in Dublin where he is respected for the good, hard working coach he always has been. He prepares one of the best teams in Europe and doesn't have tabloids doorstepping him after every game. I am not sure he misses Twickenham all that much.
Craig joubert? No, although I think I saw he was involved in ref training so....
Come independence border force will have a watchlist.
Craig joubert? No, although I think I saw he was involved in ref training so….
Damn, when I typed it I knew I had the wrong name. (Andre J was part of the SA team that demolished Swansea 05/11/94 78-7. Swansea were within a score at half time, although not looking likely to win the game. It's been seared onto my mind despite the fact that I got so very drunk that night!)
Brilliant. I heard about that bet, mr angry would have been even more angry!
So OF was apoplectic about the cross field kick as the defence wasn't set and the water carriers were on the pitch?
Shall I fetch the petard and the block and tackle?
https://twitter.com/andrewfrugby/status/1367064841706430464?s=20
Ah you misunderstood, he meant you weren't allowed to do it to him.
I didn't hear the ref say time off or on in that vid?
Was he asked to talk to his players? As said was time called off ?
As actually watching video clock is stopped so time must have been off, ref at fault for not calling time on. Same situation both reffed badly.
No one is blaming welsh players, so to highlight Farrell is not really the point.
Was meant to be light-hearted. Defence wasn't set yet Farrell still kicks.
Defence wasn’t set yet Farrell still kicks.
That was not Farrells complaint.
FFS, change the record!
umm it was the ABE's that raised it...
FFS, change the record!
Good idea, back to some proper rugby.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tbe4AgbiLo
God forbid discussion happen on a forum.
Surprised TJ hasn't raised this after all his moaning about Lee Byrne in the past after a series of Scots players ran into his boots. This is much worse.
Is Hastings 10 White? Sent off for raising his leg into the oncoming runners face?
Looks utterly accidental, yes bloody dangerous but nothing malicious.
Good idea, back to some proper rugby.
i forget how good henson was when he was in full flow. shame his international career went a little awry
there was a great, and possibly apocryphal, story of when the WRU were first courting Gats for the job after a fairly dismal world cup. apparently they were flying round south wales in a helicopter to give him a bit of a lay of the land. as they flew over neath one of the WRU representatives suggested they put down and nipped into his grams house for a cup of tea and bara brith, which they duly do. gats introduces him self to the this tiny frail octogenarian, first words out of her mouth were, ' so you going to start henson at centre then'. apparently it was at this point he realised what the game and the team mean in wales
Red card for the haircut alone. I am quite happy that these be red cards
It's worryingly common. Red for contact yellow for showing studs? Knee up I can understand flat of foot not so much. Although I believe there is an argument for overbalancing but you wouldn't leave your foot out there for that long (?).
He overbalanced then left his foot out to protect himself. Reds dished out for that for a while now.
... and the to avoid the torso rotating backwards in reaction to the left leg rotating downwards, you would raise the right leg. The alternative would have been landing on his back/head. It would be a sensible reaction to finding yourself in the air rotating backwards like that.
Doesn't look that natural( which is academic anyway)
The alternative would have been landing on his back/head. It would be a sensible reaction to finding yourself in the air rotating backwards like that.
This is what I thought.
It's another area that needs looking at. There's all sort of blocking and pushing in the kick chase.
A free competition would be much safer if the blockers got out the way. It's be easy to ref. In front of the catcher within area your offside. There was a game a few weeks ago where a tackler was pushed into the catchers landing area making contact when he was still in the air. Without the push it would have been a safe tackle when he landed. As it was dangerous tackle, but the push caused it.
Opening the space, removing the blockers would reduce would encourage safer competition.
Totally agree about blockers, it’s pissed me off for ages. What I have never understood is why refs haven’t dealt with it before. It would seem to be one of the laws that is easiest to enforce.
6 nations again this weekend. Three teams still in with a realistic shout of winning the tournament.
Wales have an easier, but by no means certain, game against Italy this weekend. Then France.
France are unbeaten and have been the most impresive team. But they have had the difficulties of covid19 and their 3 remaining games are not easy (England away, Wales and Scotland); it is 50:50 them winning all 3 imho.
Presuming Wales will beat Italy, then Scotland have to win all their remaining games. Tough for them to beat Ireland and France but doable.
Should be great. I can't wait.
So the red card, off for a chat with/out biscuits, doff your cap, take your ban.
But Ollie Thorley gets a red, so admits foul play? But it looks at though he gets a shove before contact which drops his height to make a head on head. So does he admit foul play even though it wasn't his actions?
Admit it 2 week ban don't 4 weeks?
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