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No-one gets their point across by smashing things up.
It worked well enough 20 years ago.
Most of the industrial trades striked 20 years ago, and thatcher just closed them down, same needs to be donme for all the stupid and expensive courses now running.
Who is training the suspended ceiling fitters, the glaziers, and other building trades that will be needed to put this grade 2 building back to how it was.
Oh and who is going to pay, if it was officially declared as a riot by the police then we as tax payers pay for it.
Get a fu*king job . . . . . ? 😯
Why are they protesting in the streets? Surely posting on Singletrack is a much more effective way of being taken seriously?
Romster, what are you on about? Who 'get a job'?
Who is training the suspended ceiling fitters, the glaziers, and other building trades that will be needed to put this grade 2 building back to how it was.
Oh and who is going to pay, if it was officially declared as a riot by the police then we as tax payers pay for it.
Yeah, but look at it this way: The private sector contract firms will profit from this, which is what the Tories want, no? Win-Win! 😀
Rioting is good for the economy! Woohoo! LET'S RIOT!
Whilst I understand the sentiment behind the protest it does not warrant mindless destruction of property and since when have we copied the French! What next blockade the ports, burn lorry loads of sheep ffs. The people responsible for the damage should have the cost added to there student loans.
You would think all of the lectures profs etc would have enough knowledge to lobby the government to rethink the policy instead of spitting their dummies out. Now all the students need is for the price of super noodles to triple & the price of cider & lager to triple.
Elfinsafety - Member
Romster, what are you on about? Who 'get a job'?Who is training the suspended ceiling fitters, the glaziers, and other building trades that will be needed to put this grade 2 building back to how it was.
Oh and who is going to pay, if it was officially declared as a riot by the police then we as tax payers pay for it.Yeah, but look at it this way: The private sector contract firms will profit from this, which is what the Tories want, no? Win-Win!
Rioting is good for the economy! Woohoo! LET'S RIOT!
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Strange that Conaught a facilites management company went bust a few months ago and today ROK have made 700 redundant, after going bust,this week.
One of the rather ironic (and IMHO downright wrong) things about this whole policy disaster is that it's likely to cost the tax payer more, not less. One of the things they're doing is increasing the minimum earning before repayment from £ 15000 to £ 21000. This will actually mean less of more will actually not get pated back as more and more students find their degrees don't actually enable them to earn higher wages. So those that use their degrees / work hard etc. end up having to pay for these degrees (bearing in mind the country and economy need a certain number of graduates) whilst those that don't use their degrees, don't work their way up or were one of the ones the country educated but didn't need as a graduate end up not paying for the degree that wasn't needed.
Absolutely bonkers. So much for social mobility. The only good thing (and it's a very bad thing for those caught up in it) that will come out of this is that the higher education system will crash and then have to reivent itself in a more sustainable format. It's a scandal the Tories don't have the bottle to do this through controlled policy rather than let the chaos reign.
Smashing up stuff isn't really going to help the cause either.
I was on the other side of the thames from millbank today with work and to be honest it wasn't really a scene from the poll tax riots, lots of police milling around, lots of peaceful demonstrators, a ludicrous number of camera crews and media types and a small minority penned in by riot police in the building who were presumably the ones kicking off.
Dammit MrSynthpop, I didn't come to Singletrackworld for a balanced, objective, non-sensationalised view of proceedings - tell me about the huge mobs rampaging and the unrestrained police beating, I know it was happening because I read about it on CiF!
If were going all French then maybe the police should have fired tear gas into the crowds like the French riot police do at their student protest 😉
Looks more like a massive number of cameras filiming a tiny minority of the usual balaclava-wearing plebs who seem to turn up and vent their ill educated spleen at anything they can. There were peaceful protests from students which made up the massive majority of the day, all good for them. The usual rent-a-mob tw@s ruin another legitimate protest, just as they have for Critical Mass, just as they have tried to for the anti-war protests. Tw@s.
So if I've got this right, the three views are:
One party said there is no money left so we will put up the fees and did when they (almost) won the election and got into Government.
One party very quietly said there is no money left but dont panic we can get another loan so we dont have to put up fees although they already had done this before, lost the election but decided not to admit this to themselves and kept acting like there was no problem
And one party said that there is some money left so we will cut fees, didnt win the election but then found themselves in government, looked at the books and realised that there really was no money left so had to change their mind and had to increase fees.
or have I missed something?
Still, there is always the old adage that if you think education is expensive, try ignorance....
My thoughts exactly Capt.Flash. What started out as a strong showing (finally) against one of the many shaftings the country is receiving under these cuts turned into a joke, just like many others have turned out.
The Met did look a bit silly though, didn't they? What a balls-up!
Hopefully the NUS will get a big **** off bill for repairs.
@MSP If you really believe that, that's awesome! Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...
I think the students should call the Greenham Common lot to set up camp outside, it may take a few years but if they can get rid of cruise missiles then surely student loans would be a doddle.
Water cannon & baton round the idle little ****ers, that'll get them back to lectures.
I don't actually believe that, but I have noticed a few protests in that London, where a large media crowd have observed a relatively small number of protesters do a lot of damage, while a large number of police mill around doing nothing while the media get their pictures and videos. Perhaps its more likely that the police have been told to let them do it in order to discredit the legitimate protest.
And it certainly works, far more coverage of the destruction than discussions about student funding on the news I have seen tonight.
Yup, so they're all piling into the Millbank Tower. My sister (who lives just by there) is raging, as her gym is in there and the po pos have shut it down. Grrrr...
@MSP Fair point. I assumed it was so they (the police) wouldn't inflame the situation or be filmed knocking seven bells out of anyone. And while I recognize those may not be the reasons, I'm still a fair way off the MI5 theory - although if we see it in Spooks...
[i]Water cannon[/i]
The thought of being washed will be enough for some 😀
At least it will reduce the costs to foreign students.
Stupid ****ers who obviously have too much time on their hands.
hang on let me fix that for you:
[b]At least they have the spine I don't have and stand up for their ideas and ideals[/b]
smashing stuff? Dickheads.
as mentioned elsewhere..
1. miners strikes
2. poll tax [i]riots[/i]
3. iraq war protests
which one of these changed government policy..?
Gutted for them really. If I'd had to pay that much for uni, I would feel the need to go on protests AND turn up to all my lectures.
Elfinsafety - Member
The damage isn't to public property; it's to Tory Party HQ.
No it's not. CCHQ is at 30 Millbank, not in Millbank Tower.
Rioting-prole-fail! 😉
Elfinsafety - Member
do we really need 50% of people to do so?
What we need is for our people to be educated to the standard they all deserve,
You went to uni?
You should be asking for your money back your command of the English language is sh1te......... 😆
myheadsashed, it's an affectation. Fred's a far more intelligent chap than the current online persona.
Myheadsmashed; not quite sure what your point is. You're obviously attempting to belittle me, yet I can't actually see a problem there with my English. Care to point it out to me?
Whereas [i]your[/i] English, on the other hand...
You should be asking for your money back your command of the English language is sh1te
if you're gonna play games, at least get the rules straight first, eh? 😉
You can be my little toy. something to play with when I'm bored.
Shh now. Grown-ups talking.
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As for you Flashy, you ponce; I bet you were cowering in your flat in Pimlico. You need an armed escort to step outside SW1. 🙂
No it's not. CCHQ is at 30 Millbank, not in Millbank Tower.Rioting-prole-fail!
What on Earth are you blabbering on about? Bit too much Port?
Good on 'em.
Worked for the poll tax didn't it.
CaptainFlashheart - MemberElfinsafety - Member
The damage isn't to public property; it's to Tory Party HQ.
[b]"No it's not. CCHQ is at 30 Millbank, not in Millbank Tower.
Rioting-prole-fail!"[/b] 😉
That's what was targeted ...... 30 Millbank
[url= http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/11/10/2010-11-10_students_in_london_storm_conservative_party_headquarters_during_rally_to_protest.html ]Students in London storm Conservative Party headquarters during rally to protest tuition hikes[/url]
Gibbering-toff-fail ! 😉
See that's what I thought Ernie; what's the silly ponce wibbling on about this time? He dunalph go on, eh?
I reckon we're gonna see a whole lot more civil unrest before this government's kicked out. And seeing as they'll slash police funding, it'll mean less coppers on the streets at demos and stuff.
Sod marching up and down outside Parliament though; let's hit Knightsbridge and Oxford St; do a proper bit of looting! 😈