[Closed] Raoul Moat/John Rambo

Why send in the good guys with loaded weapons, fake guns and wasters would waste all his ammo, draw him out to a known where abouts and administer a well executed cull of mongs.

I wonder if the police have thought to use a non noisy method to survey the area for a heat sig, like a hand glider or trained pigeon..

wrightyson - there is absolutely no way in hell that a police sniper could/would simply shoot someone without challenge at any significant distance. I think it's right that they they have to believe there is an immediate threat to someone. A possible future threat from someone if they get away won't do. The law applies to police officers as it does to anyone else. So the weapons are there to ensure they can protect themselves and one another, not to "take him down".

(Happy to be corrected if anyone actually knows.)

I read in today's "Metro" that "dozens" of armed police are "pouring into" Northumberland... 🙄

I read in today's "Metro" that "dozens" of armed police are "pouring into" Northumberland...

Well 40 from London alone so not a lie. 🙄

"Pouring"? Into something the size of Northumberland?

Feh.

This has gone on long enough.

If you've got a problem, and nobody can help you...

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They'd get him. Loads of shooting but he'd still be caught alive.

wrightyson - there is absolutely no way in hell that a police sniper could/would simply shoot someone without challenge at any significant distance. I think it's right that they they have to believe there is an immediate threat to someone. A possible future threat from someone if they get away won't do. The law applies to police officers as it does to anyone else. So the weapons are there to ensure they can protect themselves and one another, not to "take him down".

Snipers are usually used as recon or cover for others. I would imagine they are being used to cover police officers who are scouring the fields and woods in the area.

Papers this morning thought he was keeping
up with it on wireless internet or something. It
wasn't clear why they thought that though

Eh? I've seen Bourne/24/Enemy of the State.

Surely the minute he "hits the grid" we'll be treated to a series of shots, starting from a secretive looking spy satelite, then Europe, then UK, then Northumberland, and finally finishing with the top of his head?

Ideally accompanied by someone saying technical sounding things like "Bring up Sector G12", "Enhance", "Scan for Gingers" etc

For Cynic-al,

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Awesome.

Does it kill cats?

Surely this is an invitation to some of the special forces.

Walk into the mess hall or whatever SAS guys hang out. Tell em there is a £50k reward to the first guy to locate, capture or kill this guy. Call it a training exercise with live ammo.

What can go wrong? Guys who are trained to do this go in. They get some proper practise. We get this know caught/killed for a fraction of the overtime costs so far.

Ideally accompanied by someone saying technical sounding things like "Bring up Sector G12", "Enhance", "Scan for Gingers" etc

PMSL!

"Pouring"? Into something the size of Northumberland?

Feh.

Ok they should have said dribbling.

I'd be very bloody surprised if it didn't.:)

missingfrontallobe - Member
'epicyclo - Member
So how did he get a gun?
Gun laws just don't work.'
He didn't get it legally did he? ...
Gun laws can work, they just can't cover all situations. Derrick Bird had a legally held weapon...

Criminals can get guns any time they want.

Nut cases with legal guns aren't deterred by the law.

Ergo, gun laws do not work.

Guns don't kill people taxi drivers and bouncers do.

epicyclo - Member

Exactly.

Criminals can get guns any time they want.

Nut cases with legal guns aren't deterred by the law.

Ergo, gun laws do not work.

Rubbish

Guns are hard to come by in this country and this is why we have a very low rate of gun murders. Go to the states where guns are easy to get and they have loads of gun murders

Ok its oversimplistic but it is still correct. Gun restriction reduces gun crime

Snipers are usually used as recon or cover for others. I would imagine they are being used to cover police officers who are scouring the fields and woods in the area.

Recon are a bunch of wookie douche campers. The bloke's got a couple of shotguns, plod have assault kit with 4x scopes, it's only going to end one way.

I think I may be developing a PS3/reality problem.

I think you might be playing Battlefield Bad Company 2 a bit much. 😀

Maybe the reason they aren't catching him is because they are all snipers and can't complete the objective? Noobs!

OH TJ eff off you keep coming up with these things I have to agree with. Its true we need restrictions on who gets em, but I say don't ban em.

Will they be authorised to drop him there and then or will a challenge have to be given first.

OFFICIAL COURT TRANSCRIPT

OFFICER A: He was coming straight for me

BARRISTER: .. but was he not 600 yards away from you at the time?

OFFICER A: He looked a lot closer than that in my 24x SuperScope sights

JUDGE: Fairy 'nuff.

I love the way this thread is turning out! I'm still waiting to see a picture of a wrong footed bobby impaled in the legs by a Rambo type swinging sharp pointed boody twap! ( goonies/first blood ref)

Up the Wookies!

Shotgun no skillz blah blah spray and pray etc.

*reaches for mortars*

I think they want him alive and it will be a real coup to get him alive, should be do-able with a sniper, one in each leg, one in each arm, down he goes.

Those viscious little dinosaurs that were in Jurassic Park would be ideal for flushing him out.
But my main concern is for the red Squirrel population....nibble nibble - kaaboom.

Aye raoul is the biggest camping noon out there. Come on take the crate already.

toys19 - you've never shot a real gun, have you?

It's not like the films, and slightly harder than CODMW.

Actually, if the police have Glocks then I fancy the ginger roid-monster withg the unfeasibly small testicles - they are bloody hard to shoot accurately.

I keep remembering the bit of dialogue between the two police snipers at the marathon in Four Lions... "Is a wookie a bear control?"...

missingfrontallobe - Member
'epicyclo - Member
So how did he get a gun?
Gun laws just don't work.'
He didn't get it legally did he? ...
Gun laws can work, they just can't cover all situations. Derrick Bird had a legally held weapon...

Exactly.
Criminals can get guns any time they want.

Nut cases with legal guns aren't deterred by the law.

Ergo, gun laws do not work.

Thats called a[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_solution_fallacy ] 'perfect solution fallacy'[/url]

All it needs is the Temp/Chief Constable to ask Raoul to prove that he wasn't overdoing steroids by proving his Wiener schnitzel hasn't been badly affected, only she had heard from Durham jail that it was tiny. Wiggling her little finger.
That would get him on the streets of Rothbury with his pants round his ankles shouting, "Come an' have a look."
Tazer shot and he'd be in custody. Simple.

This map sucks!

cranberry - Member

toys19 - you've never shot a real gun, have you?

It's not like the films, and slightly harder than CODMW.

Actually, if the police have Glocks then I fancy the ginger roid-monster withg the unfeasibly small testicles - they are bloody hard to shoot accurately.

Yeah I think I was joking about the arms and legs thing.

As an aside I have a firearms cert for 22/250 (foxes and small vermin) and 7.62mm (for deer.) Have shot many. V difficult to get a clean kill over 100meters.

Agreed rossi! Oh and bang on about the snipers on bfbc2!!

TandemJeremy - Member
Rubbish

Guns are hard to come by in this country and this is why we have a very low rate of gun murders. Go to the states where guns are easy to get and they have loads of gun murders

Ok its oversimplistic but it is still correct. Gun restriction reduces gun crime

So Switzerland must be a veritable blood bath then?

I have lived in communities where there would be at least 1 gun per house and usually more. I don't recall any shootings.

Bad people use guns badly, good people use them wisely.

On your basis hot cars should be banned.

BTW I can't see the point in owning a gun in this country - except for the dispatch of hot car drivers 🙂

So how much longer till he takes the title of "UK Hide and Seek Champion" off that kid who hid under the bed?

So how much longer till he takes the title of "UK Hide and Seek Champion" off that kid who hid under the bed?

Will he qualify to compete in the world champs against the young lad who was(nt) blown away in a helium balloon?

Canada has more guns than the United States (mostly because of hunting and protection against wild animals that want to eat you) and there is less gun crime than the USA.

So, it must be a cultural thing. No one NEEDS a gun, unless the other person has one. Which propagates paranoia.

I admit to being fascinated by guns though. I served in the TA for a time and had the priviledge of being able to fire lots of different types but I was trained and supervised and also deemed sane enough to handle them.

Theres really no reason why anyone in the public would need a handgun. Ever.

[i]Theres really no reason why anyone in the public would need a handgun. Ever. [/i]

What am I going to use to nail this wanted poster on the saloon doors with if not the butt of my handgun?

You're clearly not thinking straight

toys19 - Member

OH TJ eff off you keep coming up with these things I have to agree with.

Sorry Toys

Canada has more guns than the United States (mostly because of hunting and protection against wild animals that want to eat you)

also deemed sane enough to handle them.

So was I and still am but don't mean something could make you or I flip and the go on a rampage.

As already pointed out gun was obtained illegally so makes the gun law argument futile.

toys19 - apologies - my irony meter didn't get tripped by your post 🙁

I've only ever been accurate with a rifle on static targets, grazing deer, a sniffing fox etc. With a moving target its shotgun, or maybe in this case a machine gun.... I do hope they get him alive though, we need to show him and the world that Moats idea of summary justice is not good. It would also prove that the cops were up to their job. Unfortunately its inevitable that even see him a cop will pop him off.

How mindful would you be of someone else's right to life if you knew that:

1. He had already killed
2. He is unbalanced
3. He has stated that he specifically wants to kill people like you

The police will try to take him alive, but I hope that they don't risk their own lives in doing so.

They should be absolutely mindful of his right to life.

That doesn't mean he won't wind up getting shot, but policemen with machine guns who have stopped worrying about people's right to life is a bad business. If they can't manage professionalism when dealing with bad people then another line of work would seem to beckon.

Just had a text joke

I am a 23 year old blonde nymphomaniac with a thing for large ginger Geordies who like writing long letters, camping and firearms. If this is you please email me at armedresponse@northhumerlandconstabulary.org