damn DX are good!
I did mean the rear casing though and not the slip on cover. I quite like the glowing apple logo backs that you can get for the Iphone 5, they even have all the CE logo etc on them like a real case.
edit: another solution - stick something over the scanner, maybe a bit of tinfoil 😉 and turn the feature off.
**** Me! Are you guys seriously worried about fingerprint data, if so, are you 00 agents or something! You guys had better wear bandanna's and go around in wheelchairs too, there's a lot of camera's about and gait surveillance. 😆 Paranoia!
Once the phone is JB'ed, developers will be able to test the Fingerprint Scanner to make sure it isn't being transmitted or hacked.
I think I must be missing something the paranoid guys are seeing... IF they could get my fingerprint, what can they do, as apposed to stealing my iPhone with my fingerprints all over it?
Haha good point. If you've ever looked a phone that's just had it's lock pattern input you'll see you can copy it from the grease on the screen 90% of the time 🙂
The effort and cost involved in the above is vastly greater than the effort and cost involved in aggregating data collected from a phone which knows who you are
Really??
You think the "effort and cost" of a government security agency like the NSA accessing the records of another gov agency like Passport Control is somehow GREATER than the effort and cost of secretly conspiring with Apple to breach international privacy and data protection laws and secretly develop the ability to covertly transmit fingerprint data without hackers, competitors or foreign agencies ever noticing?
Even if that were true, all they'd get for that effort, cost and risk would be a simplified hash of a partial fingerprint of one finger or thumb and an idea of who it might [i]possibly[/i] belong to.
You think the "effort and cost" of a government security agency like the NSA accessing the records of another gov agency like Passport Control is somehow GREATER
They already have. They've also got all the finger print scans from all the countries they've sold the same system to eg Kenya.....
with an incredibly simple solution. don't buy one.
Or buy one and disable the finger print unlock, and just use the old method!
but what if THEY secretly enable it...
but what if THEY secretly enable it...
They don't need to. It is ALWAYS enabled. EVEN when you turn it OFF.
The S in NSA stands for Switcheroo.
but what if THEY secretly enable it...
Well, they couldn't because
a. it needs training to recognise a fingerprint
b. theres no guarantee it would be your fingerprint they are capturing since you could allow anyone to use the unlock code.
Disabling means you must have something to hide, so they will just secretly enable it AND flag you as a possible terrorphile.
Disabling means you must have something to hide, so they will just secretly enable it AND flag you as a possible terrorphile.
I think the latest revelations show that the NSA considers everyone as possible terrorphile, hence their universal snooping of pretty much everything....
You think the "effort and cost" of a government security agency like the NSA accessing the records of another gov agency like Passport Control is somehow GREATER than the effort and cost of secretly conspiring with Apple to breach international privacy and data protection laws and secretly develop the ability to covertly transmit fingerprint data without hackers, competitors or foreign agencies ever noticing?
No, I don't. I'm arguing against the following line of reasoning:
"This privacy concern is invalid because this privacy can already be violated if person A does X Y and Z"
on the grounds that the new privacy concern potentially skips steps X Y and Z and makes it more economical to violate the privacy.
As for your little situation you made up - I'm not for one moment suggesting they'd do it, let alone secretly 🙂
If you are thinking of buying a 5C or 5S then read this article on The Register - particularly if you are thinking of sneaking on in from the States.
International 4G is a proper PITA and what works in Merka may well not work here...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/11/apple_launches_10_new_iphones/
Cheers
Danny B
No doubt the scallies have already found a way of cracking the fingerprint lock.
There are many reasons not to buy one. The fact it is an Apple product being by far the greatest.
No, I don't. I'm arguing against the following line of reasoning:
"This privacy concern is invalid because this privacy can already be violated if person A does X Y and Z"
on the grounds that the new privacy concern potentially skips steps X Y and Z and makes it more economical to violate the privacy.
And I'm arguing that you've got it completely the wrong way around 😆
My line of reasoning is actually more like:
"This privacy concern is invalid because it requires W, X, Y and Z to be performed illegally and in secret for a possible lead on a tiny part of private data when a complete and verified copy of that data is already available legally to the agencies that want it."
No doubt the scallies have already found a way of cracking the fingerprint lock.
Someone once said (I forget who) that the trouble with fingerprint verification is that it is essentially a password that you write in plain text on every surface that you touch.
It would probably be more useful for them to know your phone unlock code, on the basis that there's a fair chance it's the same code as something else to which they might like access.
As I said before - unless the tech for the fingerprint reader is new, it's easy to overcome.
"essentially a password that you write in plain text on every surface that you touch."
Though with most modern sensors, it's not - they read subdermal layers.
I really wish the mobile phone had never been invented.
I really wish the mobile phone had never been invented.- Sent From My iPhone.
I really wish the mobile phone had never been invented.
- Sent From My iPhone.
😆
😀
From a desktop...but it is a mac.
"novelty" fingerprint scanning + GPS + inbuilt security backdoors present in pretty much every operating system, including iOS/Android = no more hiding places.
Why you might want to hide, I have no idea, but just because you don't need to shouldn't mean you don't get to.
Not sure how Nokia can claim Apple are copying their phone with the multicoloured 5C when the multicoloured gen 5 iPod Touch predates that and coloured iPod Nano's and Shuffles predates that - see the pattern?
I dunno whether to get one or not, my current iphone 4 32gb is now over 3 years old and is held together by black gorilla tape as i've dropped it one too many times and the glass was crumbling off from the backplate, the screen has two large cracks running top to bottom and the home button sometimes stops working, apart from that i've been very happy wi it and my previous iphone 3g.
Not bothered bout fingerprint scanner as my fingerprints are often mashed up or burnt/scarred due to work and ingrained dirt/oil and the limited starting 16gb GB capacity seems a bit fekin useless for such a tech device, the price they are asking for 32gb and 64 gb is frankly taking the piss and that's coming from an Apple fanboi for over 10years.
I'd be happy wi a Iphone 4s 32gb or 64gb as i use all the space on my current 32gb, but the larger 64 GB capacity seem to be pretty rare or at least they command a helluva premium on the 2nd hand market and i don't think you can buy them new .
Perhaps a few will come up for sale over the next few weeks.
Having just watched the keynote, the seem to have done a lot of work on the camera, I might upgrade to the 5s for that alone.
the glass was crumbling off from the backplate
You realise that replacing the backplate is like a 20 second job?
Unscrew the two screws at the bottom. Slide backplate up and remove. Slide replacement backplate on. Do up the two screws.
(replacing the screen is a much bigger job though).
Having drunk several Singletrack Ales* I'd like to say.... Good luck to you all. I'm sticking with Nokia and WP8.
*Damn fine.
You realise that replacing the backplate is like a 20 second job?
Oh Yeah, i know that, I've replaced the battery, the headphones socket, the home button and backplate all before......... the genuine glass backplates aren't cheap so as i'm not bothered bout how it looks i have wrapped a few layers of extra wide gorilla tape round it to hold everything together and when i drop it or it falls out my pocket it just bounces rather than smashing even more, I'll be wrapping up my new one with tape when i get it - i can't be doing wi rubber bumpers or skins as they get stuck in my pocket.
Im with gofaster.
But for when Im, not can I have your girlfriends numbers?
I watched the keynote.
I think the camera updates are interesting, slow motion video. Plus 64 processor and improved battery life.
Apple never said they would launch a cheap phone. The C stands for colour and the phone is a slight improvement on the 5
I am tempted to buy one outright, I've been using a 16gb 4S for 18 months and haven't found the capacity a problem. I could unlock the 4S and sell it making back some of the 5S purchase price. I assume the 5S is lighter as is the 5. If I don't buy one outright I'll wait for a 6 as that should be launched a few months after my contract renewal date.
The new cables are reasonably cheap even from Apple, we bought a couple of extra for the GF's 5, so that's not a factor
I am tempted to buy one outright, I've been using a 16gb 4S for 18 months and haven't found the capacity a problem.
I've managed to completely fill mine with photos I've taken on it (3000 odd).
I've managed to completely fill mine with photos I've taken on it (3000 odd).
Take some off then!
If the 5c had been £250 then I'd have been all over it. iOS 7 looks like its solving the problems that I had when I had a 4 for a bit. But I'm not paying that. No way hose. I'll get an S4 mini or something instead when I need a new phone/get one free
GrahamS - Member
No doubt the scallies have already found a way of cracking the fingerprint lock.
Someone once said (I forget who) that the trouble with fingerprint verification is that it is essentially a password that you write in plain text on every surface that you touch.
[url= http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/19/iphone5s_fingerprint_crack_bounty/ ]Bounty for video of consistent fingerprint scanner hack[/url]
[url= http://istouchidhackedyet.com/ ]Currently at about $15,000[/url]
Time to dig the latex out....
just about to click, but what colour to go for?
The most crass first world problem yet?
