process improvement folks are already cracking jokes about the lean processor in the 5S
Whenever I go to a party I always look out for the PI crowd. They're always such a hoot.
Is that it? Two phones?
Sorry Apple I'm not wowed.
Sorry Apple I'm not wowed.
The share price just nose-dived.
Ill order a 5c. With the vat off and a bit for my iPhone 4 it comes out at £250 for a non-contract phone.
Not bothered about the fingerprint thingy.
Is the fingerprint thing a good idea? Personally I don't have a pass code on my iPhones, how does ICE work with anyone not tech/apple savvy? 😯
ICE doesnt work with a passcode/ fingerprint
Im also not sure that Id want to happily offer up my fingerprint to a greedy corporation, you can bet your ass itll end up on some marketing/ NSA databse before long
kimbers - Member
ICE doesnt work with a passcode/ fingerprint
Exactly my point...
tho i suppose a fingerprint scanner is better than a code, you could use a unconscious persons finger to unlock the phone
This confirms I should purchase a current iPad WiFi mini for googling, STW and email before its replaced by a more expensive less useful version.
Oh and +1 for the 4s being a great phone.
Sent from my iPhone 5
how does ICE work with anyone not tech/apple savvy?
I just have my ICE/"If Lost" details on my lock screen wallpaper. That way I can keep the phone securely locked (mental not to given all the stuff it has access to!)
Im also not sure that Id want to happily offer up my fingerprint to a greedy corporation, you can bet your ass itll end up on some marketing/ NSA databse before long
Doubt it somehow. Huge international privacy / data protection issues with that. But to be perfectly honest why would I give two hoots if the NSA got my fingerprints? Don't they still fingerprint people at US airports anyway?
Wow a fingerprint scanner, is it 2010? my Motorola had that 2 years ago, keep up Apple
Apple has clearly run out of ideas for now. The Mac Pro and now this, undermines it's credibility. IDK if that is a view shared by the masses, but yeah. TBH most of the phone companies are in the same boat, but Apple's the one the beats loudest about design. Also - the fingerprints scanner DOES mean there's a real danger someone will loose a finger with their iphone robbery, and unless this technology is different to the other fingerprints scanners that is fitted to laptops then it's the work of an hour to make a copy out of silicon. You can probably even do it from the print left on the button.
Apple's not exactly screwed - but boy are they trying.
I have recently become aware of how the public has no idea whatsoever about design though - 99% are just sheeple eating their marketing turds eeeer'day.
Wow it took 57 posts before someone said "sheeple". I think that is a new record.
Are the haterz running out of ideas? 😉
Let me clarify - I don't refer to only Apple users with that. The marketing virus is in 99% of all people.
Also, don't call me a "hater" I've been using Apple's since the LCII, but since 2009 or something they've been taking the piss.
Think I'll wait till the 6.
I'm going to hold out til 10 then buy the box set.
Too much faith in this ICE number something that is not actually really checked. If your that worried then carry the details on some laminated card maybe with you photo on.
Something like this would be good for lots of people.
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Interesting idea with the 2 phones release be even more interesting to see how it works out for them.
Aah! A self loather then. 😛
, don't call me a "hater" I've been using Apple's since the LCII, but since 2009 or something they've been taking the piss.
But not from you yeah? Cos you're smarter than them.
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Whilst I think the 5c looks great, I don't get the business strategy as its priced higher than the 4s, so hardly going to expand the affordability of iPhones.....
Also - the fingerprints scanner DOES mean there's a real danger someone will loose a finger with their iphone robbery
Shit just got real! Imagine if it was a child with a face recognition phone!!
So other than gimics - what does it do that my 4 doesnt ? ( and that i need it to do)
What are are you talking about? I have chosen not to buy an Apple product since then because the only compelling features are basically build quality and I haven't felt the need [or indeed had the money available] to spend hundreds more for a small improvement. In addition, the Reality Distortion Field* moved from being just about specs to being the whole marketing animal. Oh, yes, and as a student of Design, I feel the constant trumpeting of Apple's Design innovation has long-since been unwarranted.
It's called the law of diminishing returns, you should check it out.
Emate, Newton, TiBook, Hinged Tower case, iMac [well, for a while], Macintosh, User Interface Guidelines, Retina Displays [kinda] - these are all technological or design turning points.
Bashing out iPhones and screwing with the Mac Pro are not.
Why does this all invoke some pathological hatred on one side or the other? Why not just be dispassionate?
*TM Jobs, RIP
I won't be putting £549/£709 into a 5" multi media computer thanks, no matter how powerful, its too difficult to squint at. I can get MacBook Air with our corporate discounts for the latter.
I'd love a really good phone though *gazes at my work 4s* that can do extra internet things like deliver traffic reports adequately.
Vis a Vis its become about adding computing power rather than any advances in what makes a really good phone, which basically stopped with the 4s IMO.
As above, fingerprint reader is old hat. I have one on the 2 year old Motorola my daughter is currently playing with 🙂
$99 and $199
Don't really know how they get away with quoting this as the price of a phone given that it includes a 2 year contract subsidy.
I thought it all kind of made sense until I saw the pricing.
All the time I was watching the 5c presentation, I was thinking - they're going to sell millions of these at £250!
When the $99 price flashed on screen I thought they'd sell tens of millions. Then I saw the "2 year contract" small print and it all just broke.
Its actual 5C(olour or more probably olor as its Merkan).
And I love Nokia's advert this morning poking a bit of fun
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Danny B
The 5c looks like an homage to Nokia's Lumia line of phones, they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
The 5s is the main event, it's a nice phone.... as they've all been since the iPhone-4.
This is where it gets tricky for ALL phone manufactures, smartphones are now 'good enough' and have been for a couple of years, there is no great tech leap forward that compels people to change their phone each year any more.
Everyone does cloud based storage and syncing, all operating systems offer some kind of sat-nav, all have excellent browser's, all have the main and most popular apps available on their OS.... and if they don't virtually everything can be accessed through the web using the desktop version anyway!..... all play music and stream video beautifully and they all have excellent cameras that could stand alone as a selling point.
Where to go from here?
For me it's price and battery life.
If Google can sell the Nexus for around £200 why would I pay Samsung, Apple or HTC £400-500 for one of their phones?
The main players are creaming it, offer me the same tech as last year but drop the price and I'm sold but don't offer the most incremental of camera updates and expect me to cough up £500 for the privilege.
Battery life. Where to start?
The manufactures know that modern batteries are only good for 300-500 charges before performance drops dramatically and yet they still ship them with batteries so bad that most people charge the phone every night... That's 700+ charges in a typical 24 month contract, it's not hard to see why most phone's performance tails off during the last 6 months of a contract.
Sell me a phone with a battery that can go for 2-3 days of hard use and performs as well in 2 years time as it did at the start of the contact and I'll consider that real progress!
New phone announcements are all a bit 'meh' at the moment, the only reason I'm looking forward to the next Nexus in a month or twos time is because it will be as good as anything out there currently but retail for half the price.
The consensus in the staff room this morning was "meh".
Ok god why did I read this thread. There's so much wrong and prejudice it's unreal.
And why am I posting this? I despair of myself, the internet, and humanity.
It's one of those days.
As above, fingerprint reader is old hat. I have one on the 2 year old Motorola
Oooh cool, so can you use that to authorise payments for apps, films and music from Motorola's built-in app and media store then?
Also - the fingerprints scanner DOES mean there's a real danger someone will loose a finger with their iphone robbery
Umm.. if you're mugging someone at knifepoint wouldn't it be easier to just tell them to touch the home button and unlock the phone?
That would seem a bit less messy and less dangerous than wrestling with them while you try to cut all their fingers off!
(Also, if they [i]loose[/i] a finger couldn't they [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-loose-is-the-opposite-of-tight ]just tighten it again[/url]? 😛 )
New phone announcements are all a bit 'meh' at the moment, the only reason I'm looking forward to the next Nexus in a month or twos time is because it will be as good as anything out there currently but retail for half the price.
^^^ this
Im struggling to see any actual benefits over the nexus 4 I bought for 180 quid (or indeed the huawei G510 you can get for 100)
theres a lot of parallels with this and the 'price of a santa cruz' thread
Thinking more about this it's my opinion that Apple have both confused their offering with so many models and done their 'premium' image some damage by introducing cheaper versions.
Not if they so "No", no.
And I know the difference between "loose" and "lose", I just typed it wrong.
C'mon IA - what's wrong here then?
Is there anything new in iOS then?
On the other hand, we've seen again and again that rationally analysing Apple's decisions doesn't really equate to their success.
There are a great number of people who already knew they were going to order a 5s on launch day regardless of what it was like.
Similarly there are those who just go - "oh a pink iPhone! Must have!"
Not if they so "No", no.
If a mugger says to you "Unlock the phone or I'll cut your fingers off and do it myself" are you really going to say no??
(especially since you know that once you've been mugged you can use "Find My iPhone" to lock down the phone remotely and send the police to the muggers location)
And I know the difference between "loose" and "lose", I just typed it wrong.
T'was just teasing - it's one of the commonest spelling mistakes on here (along with brakes/breaks).
New phone announcements are all a bit 'meh' at the moment
Yeah I think they've now reached the point that PCs reached where they are mostly "good enough" and there isn't much to draw you to new versions.
(Still using a 4 and a 4S here. I doubt I'll upgrade to a 5S. Looks nice but the new features don't outweigh the hassle and cost for me).
legend - Member
Shit just got real! Imagine if it was a child with a face recognition phone!!
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Great post. For me, I would add storage to the list of requirements, along with price/battery life. To still have the base capacity at 16GB seems such a strange decision. Especially given the price non-drop.
Is there anything new in iOS then?
Looks like it's been designed by a 5 year old with access to pastels. I guess that's new.
I wanted 128Gb of memory for my music collection. I've got about 90 so far.
I suppose 650(G)b would have done.
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Thinking more about this it's my opinion that Apple have both confused their offering with so many models and done their 'premium' image some damage by introducing cheaper versions.
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Is there anything new in iOS then?
Fundamentally the same, but a new look and a few new features.
But older iphones will support [i]most[/i] of the good stuff anyway so iOS 7 doesn't provide a compelling reason to upgrade by itself.
Sell me a phone with a battery that can go for 2-3 days of hard use and performs as well in 2 years time as it did at the start of the contact and I'll consider that real progress!
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Ok, the iOS update does definitely look worth having even if the new hardware is meh. From what they're showing, it really just looks like they are bringing important/frequently used settings closer to the home screen ala Android of course - but still definitely a good move
But older iphones will support most of the good stuff anyway so iOS 7 doesn't provide a compelling reason to upgrade by itself.
This was being floated in the press this morning as one reason why the new iPhone might not sell well.... Basically if you already have a 4s or 5 and iOS-7 runs smoothly on it when released then why would you pay to upgrade just the hardware?
It's a sentiment that makes sense but history tells us all new iPhones sell like hot cakes regardless!
