[Closed] PSA : Farage vs Brand on question time tonight ...

Loved how quiet Brand was after he was told to stop preaching and stand. Ruined his night.

Well I didn't learn anything new from that at all!

I think what Brand is trying to say is right but he was a little out of his comfort zone there. Restraint isn't really his thing.

Unfortunately I think Farage did the right thing and didn't really say a lot, I still hate him and his politics though.

There was the whole immigrant thing, then lady at the end turned it back onto the real problem:

Since engineered crash of 2008 wealth has transferred from the masses to the few.

Dimbleby makes an funny face and changes subject.

FIX!!

Brand looked like a sulky teenager for most of the programme. Only person who came out looking good was the times journalist.

Camilla Cavendish was excellent as she usually is on QT.

Brand made a mistake of trying to tie bankers into immigration. Also, the lad that took him down about working classes being squeezed by immigrants, Brand didn't have a response.

It pains me to say it, but Farage did alright tonight, he can work a crowd very well.

That wasn't the car crash I thought it might be, well not from the panel, the audience was a bit spicy in places !

I thought Brand was defeated pretty heavily on most of the things he tried to raise. He looked genuinely shocked when the people in the audience had a pop at him re working peoples wages being undermined and the fact he should stand for parliament.

The lady from the Sunday Times (?) was excellent. Farage came out very well again, the fact is he is very polished and accomplished when he's attacked on immigration, its playing to his strengths.

One sided contest with regard to the headliners : Farage 5 Brand 1

Did you have the volume turned down for the audience applause?

JHJ Jambalaya is the only person on here whose views are more detached from reality and more at odds with the actual evidence and facts than you

he would not recognise the truth if it walked up to him shook him by the hand explained it then gave him a picture and explained it again.

jivehoneyjive - Member

Did you have the volume turned down for the audience applause?

Yes. I thought they were going to start throwing chairs ... 😆

jivehoneyjive - Member
Since engineered crash of 2008 wealth has transferred from the masses to the few.

Except it hasn't - check the inequality stats. The opposite has happened

]Dimbleby makes an funny face and changes subject.
FIX!!

Hardly a fix. Perhaps he is bored of people making the same mistake over and over again.

In the end I turned in for an early life.

I suspect I'm more politically aware for doing so.

Quote of the night: "Ee's a poundshop Enoch Powell and we've gotta watch 'im".
Has anyone ever described farage so succinctly?

I thought it was very disappointing. I've only recently started to be less apathetic about politics and thought watching QT might be enlightening.

For example. The labour lady in grey (the one who complained about men speaking over women, then proceeded to talk over the men) started to make an interesting point about rather than restricting immigration, stop the explotation of foreign workers instead. But it got lost amongst the benign and safe responses.

I gave up and went to bed

If Brand REALLY wants to be taking seriously then he should stand.

End of.

Otherwise, he's just a pontificating pr1ck.

In the bits I watched Brand looked foolish and Farage seemed to come out of it well.

Putting Farage up against that twunt is only helping UKIP.

Nice of Dave to submit a Make Your Own Tory Doll. Pull is chord and listen to it repeat a series of well rehearsed cliches, straight out out of Tory central casting.

And Labour to put forward Millie Tant. Who seemed more bothered about having a pop at Russ for being a [s]serial shagger[/s] sexist, than entering into any debate about policy. SEXIST!!!

If Brand REALLY wants to be taking seriously then he should stand.

Is becoming a MP really the only way to be taken seriously and make a difference.
I imagine there are quite a few NGOs (Amnesty, Oxfam etc) who might take issue with that.

I'm sure Russell will take a break from campaigning if someone from Hollywood gets on the blower.

He does seem to have an interest in all things illuminati. I wonder if he could rock a purple shell-suit?

I imagine there are quite a few NGOs (Amnesty, Oxfam etc) who might take issue with that.

Thats a fair & obvious point.......

However, unless he throws his hat in the ring rather than just shouting a lot.....he just comes across as a rather poor form of champagne socialist I'm afraid.

Brand wouldn't want the pay cut - not that he'd get voted in or he'd think he had a chance. Maybe a way of getting more exposure though? Anyway, seems to me he's just a critic with no useful ideas.

It looked as though Brand went there with the intention of destroying Farage with some premeditated put downs. Farage went there with the intention of appearing reasonable and articulate and came out of it well.

Regardless of Farage's politics he has a stateliness (in the loosest possible sense) that his mainstream opponents lack.

Brand wouldn't want the pay cut.

😆

teamhurtmore - Member

jivehoneyjive - Member
Since engineered crash of 2008 wealth has transferred from the masses to the few.

Except it hasn't - check the inequality stats. The opposite has happened

Whilst JHJ might have 'read' the whole QT audience opinion thing wrong, his opint about equality is not wrong and is, in fact, a point being made by some of the wealthiest investors in the world, including Warren Buffett, Jim Grant to name just two: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/unprecedented-monetary-policy-fuels-inequality-pDRy5H43QSSxTTQyAMwn6g.html

Think about it; even though base rates are at rock bottom, who can actually borrow anywhere near base? The few.

Who can get 'in on the ground' for the major IPOs and make a killing (in and out at early so even if subsequently these shares nosedive they're safe) in the process, leveraging with low-rate borrowing? The few.

Brand is an idiot, but within his scattergun of nonsense, the point about mainstream politics being owned by business is not entirely wrong. Furthermore, the media is manipulated by both, as we all know.

Those who continue to attempt to dismiss Farange, either by blatantly calling him racist or by obliquely referring to him as such - by comparison and so on - are really the lowest common denominators, the root cause of fringe parties who actually listen to public opinion.

Did you have the volume turned down for the audience applause?

Since engineered crash of 2008 wealth has transferred from the masses to the few.

Ee's a poundshop Enoch Powell and we've gotta watch 'im

JY have you actually read the comments on here or the various press coverage this morning. The vast majority of it says Brand came over very poorly. We haven't even started on his sexist language (he even apologized for that himself, something like "sorry about that, one of my weaknesses, I gotta work on that") and shouting over the women panel members. Facts are on my side, again.

Damn I missed this. So was Brand still just spouting the script from V for Vendetta so that people think he sounds like he has a clue?

I didn't see QT last night (I gave up on it a few years back as it's generally pretty poor now) but I did notice that the only attention the BBC radio news seemed to be giving it this morning was the Brand "poundshot Enoch Powell" gag. If all you'd seen or heard of the debate was the BBC's reporting of it then you'd think it was a clear win for Brand over Farage.

Spotted this this morning,

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I watched, hoping that RB might land a blow on Farage that would stick. Maybe 'Poundland Enoch Powell' will but it wasn't really what I'd hoped.

And I reckon RB didn't fare that well. The bloke that called for him to stand cut him down and after that he was largely subdued. Really all he had to do was state that you don't have to be an MP to make a difference but he seemed completely unsure how to deal with it.

Saw this story slipped quietly onto the BBC website yesterday:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30432832

BBC
Citizenship checks missed criminal records, report finds

[b]Summary;[/b]
People fleeing criminals, warlords and the third world in general can come to the UK to start a new life. Good.

Criminals, warlords and people who want to create a third-world enclave of the welfare state can come too. Not good.

Nearly twenty years without objective debate or 'adult supervision' has created this nonsense.

Really all he had to do was state that you don't have to be an MP to make a difference but he seemed completely unsure how to deal with it.

Seemed to me that, probably due to his hopeless messiah complex, he only really really recognises people in two categories. The forces of evil/the establishment who he's on his valiant crusade against. And the fawning sycophants he surrounds himself with. I doubt its even crossed his mind, until last night, that not everyone regards him as the saviour of democracy. Clearly he's uncomfortable with the concept of putting his money where his mouth is.

TBH one of Brand's big weaknesses is he doesn't see things coming. Like, "You should run for parliament" is pretty ridiculous, and easy to deflect but he got caught out- maybe because it's ridiculous? Same as with the rent thing the other week, an absurd attack but a pretty predictable one. Just because it's a daft nonsequitor doesn't mean you don't have to be ready to deflect it, because the way things are, people will applaud a daft nonsequitor as long as it seems to hit the mark.

Farage vs Brand on question time tonight

Who and who? Who keeps this attention whores going?

By far the biggest thing to come out of last nights QT was the 'pound shop Enoch Powell' jibe

Brand obviously has summed up farige very well and its a moniker that'll stick with him I reckon

Everything else was the usual QT nonsense

Check out @Trumpton_UKIP's Tweet: https://twitter.com/Trumpton_UKIP/status/543197558202699776?s=09

For the doubters regarding how the financial crash was engineered, an Oscar winning documentary:

And a couple of more recent articles:

[url= http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/29/uk-britain-bonuses-banks-idUKKBN0GT1YH20140829 ]'Bankers bonuses rise twice as fast as the rest of the workforce[/url]'

[url= http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/29/news/economy/billionaires-oxfam/ ]'Billionaires double since financial crisis'[/url]

It's a harsh truth and not easy to comprehend how some buggers can be so greedy, turfing people out of their homes and increasing pressure on the majority of folk, but it is the way of things.

Apathy and denial isn't going to change that...

jimster01 - Member

Brand looked like a sulky teenager for most of the programme. Only person who came out looking good was the times journalist.

Was surprised to see Brand so out of his depth.

Thought that labour woman was stupid for the comment about 'women being shouted over' and then shouting over others herself, especially as it wasn't a matter of sex; just typical ranty political people trying to get their point across THE LOUDEST....

The journo woman did pretty well of all the comments that I heard (I went to bed before it finished).

Given Russell Brand's propensity to use frilly language in his trademark high-speed manner to make what he says sound more intelligent, why did he struggle so much with the word, adversarial? Obviously not on his list of poncy words to practice.

stumpy01
The journo woman did pretty well of all the comments that I heard (I went to bed before it finished).

Camilla Cavendish did a good job of holding the system to account. She derided MPs from all parties for failing to show diligence on matters they were voting on.

Perhaps the most damning criticism was for a problem that has long been acknowledged - even mocked in satires such as Yes Minister - which is that no matter who gets voted in, nothing much seems to change. the intractability and unaccountability within Whitehall is damaging.

[quote=stumpy01 ]Was surprised to see Brand so out of his depth.

I'm surprised that you're surprised.

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/farage-and-brand-wake-up-in-each-others-bodies-2014121293770 ]Mash[/url]

Nwind

Just because it's a daft nonsequitor doesn't mean you don't have to be ready to deflect it, because the way things are, people will applaud a daft nonsequitor as long as it seems to hit the mark.

Classic example of chronic Branditus syndrome - it can be cured - correct to non sequitur and you'll soon feel superior - again

Was surprised to see Brand so out of his depth.

So was I. I thought his response to 'you should stand' was 'no, because I don't want to become one of [i]them[/i]' was just cheap and lazy, as was his propensity to be champion of the people one minute but "just a comedian" as soon as he comes up against someone with more brain cells than your average daytime TV chat show host. As the people's poet Randal Graves once said, I reckon Brand needs to shit or get off the pot.

I've never been much of a fan of RB, ever since he came to fame on some reality TV thing (BBLB? Possibly) and spent the entire time trotting out tedious pre-prepared lines about his "dingle," but I've been warming to him in recent years as he's shown to be pretty intelligent and quick-witted under that hateful foppish Poundland Jack Sparrow persona. Some of the stuff he's written of late has been thought-provoking and bang on the money. After watching QT last night though, it's apparent that he's not as sharp as he thinks he is.

@obadiah- Oh no, I missed out a space, while using a dead language! I suppose I [i]could[/i] retaliate by correcting your horrible syntax, but that would be unseemly 😆

I thought his response to 'you should stand' was 'no, because I don't want to become one of them' was just cheap and lazy

Not to mention shallow & vacuous.

I'd warmed to the guy a while back, but now he's returned to the one trick pony that he is.

I had to turn over when the Labour dickhead pointed out the "only" 10% of UK land mass has been built on.

jivehoneyjive - Member
For the doubters regarding how the financial crash was engineered, an Oscar winning documentary:

For me, the best account I've yet to come across was the book [i]"Fool's Gold"[/i] written by Gillian Tett of the FT.