Don't get me wrong. to climb into a thin contraption with a huge amount of fuel, ordinance with the risk of mechanical failure, mid-air accidents and then flak ontop takes courage. I think I'd have been classed as one of those 'lacking moral fibre' and after a small number of missions I'd have refused to go up again.
Theres no doubting their sacrifice. Its the targets and Harris's approach that rankles.
Long overdue recognition to very brave people who did a very dangerous, dreadful but necessary job.
The bombing campaign was so indiscriminate because the technology to bomb accurately simply wasn't there. Aerial photography was showing that the early bombing were only landing 10% of bombs within 10 miles of the target! US daylight precision bombing was little better despite the myths of its accuracy.
Before even accounting for the damage done huge amounts of german resources had to be used right across western europe to counter the bombing campaign. This undoubtedly helped Russia enormously in attaining air superiority in the east and defeating the germans there.
Nazi Germany was the most evil and ruthless tyranny the world has seen - quibbling over the tactics used to defeat it is only possible because of the bravery and sacrifice of those who fought it.
I see the plea for no petty bickering had a result.
I see the plea for no petty bickering had a result
For the most part it's more considered debate than petty bickering. Most posters seem to be getting their points across without resorting to personal insults. STW can do these threads sometimes!
I see the plea for no petty bickering had a result.
Haven't seen much petty bickering, apart from perhaps wrecker's daily mail style wail. I may disagree with some of the other posters, but I can't fault their manners 🙂
I see it as a debate not bickering.
apart from perhaps wrecker's daily mail style wail
So you start with an insult. Well done you bell end.
😆
Agreed a long overdue recognition of a job that at one point was the only 'response' feasible to actually get at the Germans.
When discussing this you must remember the Blitz in London, and Coventry and Bristol which was never accurately reported at the time because of our low moral.
We came to the very brink of extinction, for the folk that fought it, including my parents and their peers, the bombing was completely justified, and cracking on about our guys when the yanks nuked japan doesn't exactly sit well with me.
The actual participants fought just as hard as they could and the RAF without doubt saved our bacon, along with the folk who built the planes and the engines that gave us (and the yanks)eventual air superiority.
They deserve our respect, gratitude and this memorial is long overdue.
beautifully taking the moral high ground there and utterly dispelling the point that you dont make your point in a rude/overstated manner
Well done
Awaits the Edinburgh defence.
EDIT; oh you have some competition now for overstatement
We came to the very brink of extinction
So you start with an insult. Well done you bell end.
Hardly an insult, more of an accurate description. Your post was unnecessary, added little to an otherwise interesting thread, and the tone was similar to that found in the Telegraph or Mail comments section.
(And if you want to argue specific points of your original post, fire away, but as regards the tone I'm not going to comment further.)
beautifully taking the moral high ground there and utterly dispelling the point that you dont make your point in a rude/overstated mannerWell done
Awaits the Edinburgh defence.
Really? You really think I didn't see the irony there? 🙄
And this coming from you; the most rude, aggressive poster on here!
Edit;
Your post was unnecessary, added little to an otherwise interesting thread, and the tone was similar to that found in the Telegraph or Mail comments section.
This all started from some ill thought out, intentionally inflammatory and poorly presented comments from hora.
Agreed a long overdue recognition of a job that at one point was the only 'response' feasible to actually get at the Germans.
Part of the problem with the Dresden bombing is that it wasn't the only feasible response, we were well on the way to beating the Nazis. That said, I still believe it was as legitimate a target as any other city, and given the context (after 5 years of war) I doubt I would have argued against it at the time.
and neatly back into the lead for the hyperbole and silly claims trophy
slow hand clap, rolls eyes realises Drac was right after all.
[i]We came to the very brink of extinction[/i]
ace.
[i]apart from perhaps wrecker's daily mail style wail
So you start with an insult[/i]
Just what I was thinking. Bit harsh on Mail readers, that.
Back ontopic. Reading into the history of the war and the courage shown I don't know where they found their strength/courage. I honestly think I'd crumble/wouldn't cope.
Just what I was thinking. Bit harsh on Mail readers, that.
Wind it in.
[i]Wind it in.[/i]
Not fishing. It was more Daily Mail crossed with Cressers crossed with a really upset EMO (Goth lite - all the self-loathing but without the self-harming). With a little pinch of fruity loop.
Am i still the rudest and most aggressive?
