[Closed] Private ownership of firearms

Yes the odds are extremly high they would come round and kill you and your children that happens every day..........no actually it doesn't

The more guns there are around, the greater the risk that something bad might happen. Less guns = safer. Scientifically proven [i]fact[/i].

Which, using such scientific logic as is accepted throughout the World, means that it is in fact you who are wrong.

Didn't you have the same, boringly repetative response the other day when someone else accused you of being wrong, Elfin ?

Do you know what tedium means...?

Northwind - the point about longbows is an interesting one and would require a bit of thought and you rightly pick up an inconsistency. It had never occurred to me before this debate. I think longbows are not attractive tot eh violent fantasists that like to own guns. I do have a crossbow tho 🙂

Hahahahahha - Pwned, Chapeau Northwind 😀

Didn't you have the same, boringly repetative response the other day when someone else accused you of being wrong, Elfin ?

I expect I did, when faced with someone incapable of displaying any manners and instead resorting to unnecessary insults.

Please be quiet now thx bai.

I do have a crossbow tho

AFAIK you're not allowed to hunt with bows in the UK, but I guess Z11 will know.

A good point raised a bit higher up.

[b]TJ. Do you want to get rid of Private Gun ownership because you believe it will significantly lower the murder rate in this country, or is it simply that you don't like them ? [/b]

I ask because you started of by making out that "All" these shootings were done with legally owned guns.

When that turned out be made up "TJ Stats" you changed your argument and spent the last five pages arguing semantics over the term "USE".

I'm not sure I can remember the last shooting incedent round these parts involving human death and I'm pretty sure that a large number of my neighbours have guns at home.

Correct Ian, bowhunting illegal in UK.

a proper mental health assessment and a good reason for owning the gun

I agree with the first bit and the second is already in place. Infact, after this recent event I would imagine the powers-that-be will implement some form of intensive psychological testing in the very near future.

Flange - my tongue was firmly in cheek with that post. FFS...

(again with the eye-rolling)

Tj, ive not had much of a problem with your views on other articles, hell, ive even come close to agreeing with you 🙂 but this close minded and childlike 'im right and im not listening to anyone else' attitude is frankly, stupid.

just because you cant see the point in them doesnt means no-one else can. having guns is fun for those who are sensible with them. guns will always be used by criminals to kill people no matter how restrictive you make the laws for legitimate owners.

laws only effect the lawful...

No I know it's not a perfect solution, just trying to look at options is all.

One of the most sensible posts on this thread,

Removing firing pins could work.

I personally have my guns in a locked cabinet which is in my attic which is only accesable through a small padlocked hatch. This keeps them well out of the way and in a safe place. (not to hand)

I think more money should be put into looking into who is having the guns and the people who go check where the gun cabinets are. The rules are ok there just needs to be a lot more effort into it.

The car remarks aren't entirely pointless they do kill, but its the way people through them back at the anti-gun crowd that makes it look daft.

TJ may think there is no real use to a gun but I don't care there are plenty of things in this world I think are pointless but I don't care as they don't directly effect me.

simon_g - Member
A life devoid of things that have "no possible utility" would be a very sad one indeed.

I expect I did, when faced with someone incapable of displaying any manners and instead resorting to unnecessary insults.

Nope, it's just your default setting. You think it's amusing, others not so much...

Just read back a page or two....take away the points raised and look at the language used by the various protagonists. Very definately the most vitriolic and posts using the most agressive language are from users that seem most pro-gun. Bit scarey that!

edit - not all pro-gun posters - some write very rationally.

OMG - read page 1 and page 6. Guess there is no need to read the intervening pages, predictable stances leading to the culmination in abusive posts above.

TJ - the nonsense starts on page 1 and is frankly pretty offensive to law-abiding gunowners. How do you keep it up? The tortured logic is breathtaking.

The current gun laws are fine (game shooters)/excessive (for target shooters) but they will never be 100% in protecting the public from the activities of the insane. But as has been said above, it is people not guns that do the harm.

Save the claptrap and spare your time and thoughts for the families of the poor, innocent victims.

The car remarks aren't entirely pointless

Oh FFS, of course they are...brought in by Zulu as a diversion and some eejits fell for them. Jeez.

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Meet [url= http://www.eley.co.uk/en/introducing-our-shooters/jennifer-mcintosh/ ]Jen McIntosh[/url]

She won two Commonwealth gold medals and a bronze medal for Scotland in Delhi in 50m Prone.

TJ would you care to explain to Jen that the reason she wants to own a gun is "all about violent fantasies"?

Neal - I don't thik theree is much point in answereing you but.....

All these types of shootings have been done by people with gun certificates of various sorts. Not inner city drug gang killings but this sort of multiple killing of people with no connection to crime.

If people were not allowed to hold guns then gun murders would decrease - no doubt. There is a direct correlation between the numbers of legally held guns and the numbers of gun murders in any society.

The point about usage is a crucial one - the only use for a gun is killing things - that is what they are designed for. Knives and cars that people have tried to equate with guns have other uses, guns do not.

so yes - preventing gun ownereship without good cause would reduce the numbers of murders -

Bit scarey that!

But entirely logical - if you like killin' things...a huntin' and a 'trappin...it's entirely more likely that you'll use violent and aggressive language. 🙂

Elfinsafety - Member

The more guns there are around, the greater the risk that something bad might happen. Less guns = safer. Scientifically proven fact.

TJ would you care to explain to Jen that the reason she wants to own a gun is "all about violent fantasies"?

Yeah but what if it is and she's just not telling anyone about it?

I doubt very much that any gun owner would freely admit to any such personal things....

TJ would you care to explain to Jen that the reason she wants to own a gun is "all about violent fantasies"?

I'm not sure she has violent fantasies, but I'd quite happily tell he I think she's a bit weird. 😐

/flippant mode on/

Elfin's point about more guns in society resulting in more killings is correct as Switzerland demonstrates in a European context. A problem in France at present is the increased ownership of AK 47s and the like by the criminal classes.

Given that criminals here regualrly kill each other but rarely kill members of the public this illegal ownership of guns appears to have positive aspects.

I'm not pro-gun, just pro-choice. Massive difference.

And very easy to take the moralistic stance where insults are concerned - I'll bet you use similar terms when it suits you. Anyone that argues for the sake of it or turns a reasonable debate into a question of semantics is, for all intents and purposes, a prick. I was unaware that writing the bleeding obvious was an example of vitriolic behaviour but hey, you learn something new every day...

The more cars there are around the greater the risk. Less cars = safer.
Scientifically proven fact.

How about you stick to the point matey? Or are you feeling a bit under pressure and so diverting attention away from your love of guns? Normally only Zulu does that when he's struggling. I'm surprised he hasn't blamed it all on the "left" yet.

teamhurtmore

The current gun laws are fine (game shooters)/excessive (for target shooters) but they will never be 100% in protecting the public from the activities of the insane. But as has been said above, it is people not guns that do the harm.

teasel - Member

I'm not pro-gun, just pro-choice. Massive difference.

What about my choice to live in a gun free society?

Anyone that argues for the sake of it or turns a reasonable debate into a question of semantics is, for all intents and purposes, a prick

When you're not working as a diplomat and peace negotiator, what do you do to relax?

No to guns but I'll keep my Death Ray.

No to guns but I'll keep my Death Ray.

I think that's entirely justified, yes. 🙂

Again with stuff only you find funny, Elfin. Tedium, geez, utter tedium.

What about cars, TJ. I hate the things - do I have a choice with that one ? Bloody endless argument isn't it...

I've never heard TeeJ calling anyone a "prick". He has justifiably called people "violent fantasists" a number of times over the years though. 🙂

This has turned into one rapid-fire (pardon the pun) thread.

Being in the USA, I'm not entering the argument, but in general terms, what is the UK law about an individual owning firearms? Not trying to be "flame-throwered"---just curious about the generalities with gun ownership there.

i think the legislation is probably as tight as it can be,
um sure that farmers etc do need to keep guns
id be happy for all other weapons to be kept at a gun ranges
as a scout leader ive taught kids to use air rifles and bows, on the range only and i like clay pidgeon shooting so im not anti gun, just dont see a need to have a gun in your house unless you actually need it on your land for killing womp rats or something
maybe enforcement should be looked at if this guy has 'allegedly' had self harm issues previously reported to the police

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TJ there is no way hurtmore was being offensive, that is very unfair. He presented a coherant argument that a gun is not dangerous until there is a gun user. which is perfectly fair

brought in by Zulu as a diversion and some eejits fell for them. Jeez.

Erm, point of order Deadly - Car comments started on page one, not brought in by me at all 😉

The current gun laws are fine (game shooters)/excessive (for target shooters) but they will never be 100% in protecting the public from the activities of the insane. But as has been said above, it is people not guns that do the harm.

the issue is some insane people have guns...do i need to point out why this dangerous and more dangerous than them having anything else to hand . t is people with access to guns that do the harm...had he no guns he would not have shot anyone so you cannot pretend the gun is not a factor in gun crime/shootings.
Why do we ban knife sales to young people and check them for knifes as surely knifes dont harm people do etc

TJ you have merely given ammunition (pun intended) to a NY resolution to avoid non-bike arguments on STW.

Torturing logic is a crime against logic.

Thank you, I will spend my time more productively in future.

Erm, point of order Deadly - Car comments started on page one, not brought in by me at all

Wa-evs bro. You still jumped right on the band-wagon. 😉

titus rider - read his whole post - maybe I should have copied that. the position its not guns that kill its people is ridiculous and as a moments thought would show and he gets in several insults at me.

guns do kill people

EDIT: beaten to it by an Elf.

What about my choice to live in a gun free society?