[Closed] Private ownership of firearms

live and let live, we all might live longer that way

apart for the animals you enjoy killing

TandemJeremy - Member
derek - so its a difference that up here they are in cages down south they are not.

still farmed birds tho not wild Ie rear a bird on a farm as a live target which was my point.

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I never liked the idea of shooting birds just for fun, used to just shoot at targets when I was much younger, then the father in law ex military colonel needed help at his shoot or he'd lose his membership or something, persuaded me along with a bit of coaxing from swmbo to give it a go, turned out I was quite handy at it, not really proud tbh not my thing, but I did et what I killed or it went in the pot for the beaters. Then one ill fated day I shot a beater, long story, but suffice to say I've never picked up a gun since.
I'm not a fantasist but I'm not the biggest or hardest man on the block, not much good with a knife either, so would like to be armed in some way to protect my family, other than the forlorn hope that plods answer phone might be some help.

apart for the animals you enjoy killing

yep there just animals , get over it... thats why we have eyes in the front of our head, so we can judge how far away they are, thus making it easy to kill the ****ers

Why not?

For the same reasons that alcohol shouldn't be banned because some teenagers require stomach pumps or moutain biking shouldn't be banned because some people hurt themselves riding on bumpy trails.

There are endless types of people who do all sorts of things for pleasure. We all know you do not believe shooting to be a ligitimate pleasure but that does not diminish it, it just means that you don't want to do it. We can ban guns and mountain bikes as largely unnecesary and a bit dangerous but it won't make the world better.

It amazes me how much power the authoritarian left believe they should be able to exert over people.

busydog - Member

Don Simon
Are the pheasants you are talking about the one-and-the-same ringed neck pheasants we have here in the US?

I think so - we call it the common pheasant I believe - if not the very same bird then a close relative

TandemJeremy - Member
> live and let live, we all might live longer that way
apart for the animals you enjoy killing

To give guns to people who enjoy killing things for fun seems a bit absurd to me.

Do you eat meat?

Banning guns would make the world better tho - it would lead to less gun killings.

[quote=TJ]Druidh I did not say that red grouse were in cages I said I thought black grouse were not cage reared - Obviously I should just have said grouse not cage reared. and that I had seen pheasants and another small bird.

Zulu is using the red grouse to try to avoid the main point which is that most birds shot are bred for shooting and are not wild.

Except that, none of that was what you "actually" what you said was it TJ ?? 

What you said was:

[quote=TJ]

[b]most of the birds that are shot have been raised in cages and release shortly before they are shot.[/b]

Which was just something you made up because you saw a shoot, and some cages one the same day once.

Rather than listening to people who live on farms and estates, and shoot or run shoots all the time.

As always. You know better.

And change your story to suit whatever you have recently googled.

Go on then loum - what evidence in your post is it that I'm ignoring which gives numbers on how many people are killed in the UK by legally held firearms? You'd look a lot less stupid if you tried answering the point rather than just doing silly stuff with strikethrough.

Banning motorbikes would make the world better tho - it would lead to less motorbike killings.

Banning guns would make the world better tho - it would lead to less gun killings.

nope only criminals would have guns, and that would be stupid..

it's an official 'T-J thread'.
i'm not even going to ask for verification because it's beyond question.

Don Simon
Are the pheasants you are talking about the one-and-the-same ringed neck pheasants we have here in the US?

Yup - they are . I used to hand feed them, Tame and habituated to humans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Come on, we are behind Belgium!

Junky -

http://www.gwct.org.uk/research__surveys/species_research/birds/pheasant/249.asp

Zulu is using the red grouse to try to avoid the main point which is that most birds shot are bred for shooting and are not wild.

No, I'm using the example of re grouse, because you said that black grouse were the only bird that was not cage bred

I could have use the example of Woodcock, Snipe, several species of Geese, most Ducks, Pigeon, Rook, Crow, a fair old number of Grey Partridge shoots...

So, either you were lying, or, erm, talking out of your arse - I think people can draw their own conclusions as to which 😀

Neal- are you really that incapable of reading?

No need to ever shoot birds tho - most of the birds that are shot have been raised in cages and release shortly before they are shot.

Around here for sure don simon. No question at all. Its a huge industry rearing birds to be shot. You see them in their cages when out and about and you see the empty cages at shooting season.

CFH round here the only thing not cage reared will be black grouse [b][u]I think[/u][/b] - everything else is cage reared and I am sure most of the birds you shot would have been as well.

apart from I forgot to include red grouse it actually all pretty close to right

read Druidh s link or have a look around yourself -

Zulu - there are the three quotes on it and according to a defra piece i looked up most of the other birds are farmed as well.

It seems in this thread The Gun is the MacGuffin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin

assuming the thread will one day be made into a film and all the usual egos are played by lithe good looking actors.

There are endless types of people who do all sorts of things for pleasure.

Never killed a grouse or anything else for that matter on my mountian bike yet..there was an incident with a vole at Kirroughtree once but I think it survived...

Am totally oppose to the authoritarian left and right BTW but not sure that has any relevance

im going to hell for what i did to that bunny

TJ:

CFH round here the [b]only thing not cage reared[/b] will be black grouse I think - everything else is cage reared and I am sure most of the birds you shot would have been as well.

Ratty:

I could have use the example of Woodcock, Snipe, several species of Geese, most Ducks, Pigeon, Rook, Crow, a fair old number of Grey Partridge shoots...

TJ Again:

apart from I forgot to include red grouse it actually all pretty close to right

Yeah - pretty close TJ 😆

Neal- are you really that incapable of reading?

I am fine thanks. I read you start off by saying "Most"

Then reduce that to "Some"

Then say "well at least round here they are"

Seems like you weren't too sure of your original statement.

Although maybe my reading isnt so good ?

Because I'm still struggling to find you justify this statement with any facts or figures ??

Banning guns would make the world better tho - [b]it would lead to less gun killings.[/b]

Don't ask me a question back.

Just prove what you are saying is true.

16 pages and you haven't produced any evidence yet.

Yes Zulu - pretty close - after all most of those birds can and are reared for shooting

Never killed a grouse or anything else for that matter on my mountian bike yet..there was an incident with a vole at Kirroughtree once but I think it survived...

Am totally oppose to the authoritarian left and right BTW but not sure that has any relevance

It doesn't matter if you have killed anything. Not a jot.

Secondly, the relevance is that some people are suggesting banning things, not just finding them distasteful but actually banning them which presumably comes with force of law. Force that would be exerted against people who just want to pursue their hobbies. Authoritarians love that shit.

I killed a rat with a spade two weeks ago neither for food nor fun but self preservation.

Woodcock, Snipe, several species of Geese, most Ducks, Pigeon, Rook, Crow, a fair old number of Grey Partridge shoots...

Yes Zulu - pretty close - after all most of those birds can and are reared for shooting

I'll make this simple for you TJ, so you stop making even more of an idiot of yourself...

[b]No, they are not[/b]

got that?

What about badger baiting then torminalis? Is it OK to have hobbies that rely on deliberate suffering of animals?

I killed a rat with a spade two weeks ago neither for food nor fun but self preservation.

I have a long standing bet with a friend that I would kill a rat with a spade and eat it. Not sure I will ever deliver on that now.

Yes but surely hobbies have to be lawful and have the support of the majority of the public in a democratic society?

lots of stuff are banned like cock fighting, badger baiting, hare coursing and dog fights .....folk liked those as hobbies too - it is pointless saying about banning as we all agree with banning stuff we are only discussing where and why the line is drawn and yes some will loose a hobby as with the examples above. Lets just stick to that rather than slurs about authoritarianism etc

What about badger baiting

Loses argument - changes subject 😉

Is it OK to have hobbies that rely on deliberate suffering of animals?

Like eating meat?

Listen ,I killed the medium sized rat that I caught in a cage/trap. The "daddy rat" scared the shit out of me from 50 feet and a storey up and is still at large,bigger than a medium sized cat,I kid you not well gnarrreld with a tail like a rope.Eek!

😀 You noticed too Z-11. 😆

Zulu-Eleven - Member

Like eating meat?

SHENANIGANS! Meat eating doesn't "rely on the deliberate suffering of animals". Though, cows that've been slowly tortured to death do taste better in a curry.

Do you know how may people want to go Badger baiting? Sod all. That is not to say we don't kill loads of brockers though, apparently they are planning a huge cull this year in some parts of the country.

But, if for some reason someone did want to do some culling of their own and they wanted to do it in a cruel and unusual manner then good luck to them. I am not going to change their mind, imprisonment or attempts at rehabilitation are unlikely to work. What would probably be most effective is a culture of dissaproval, social isolation and eventual extinction. If it is popular enough to survive then who the hell are you or I to decide that it should be banned?

[pushes on into enemy ground ;o)]

I shot a crab once with a webley tempest air pistol. My parent's neighbours fence is still riddled with .22 holes from shooting random targets that my 13 year old mind thought would explode in slow motion. Mostly ski youghurt pots. If my 13 year old self had a glock 9mm it woulda been carnage - that'd go through a pot noodle no probs. I really like the idea of shooting stuff and watching it explode, not alive things,cos I wouldn't like to kill something. just things. Explody things. I think I watch Mythbusters too much though. mm.. Kari Byron.

Judging by that. I'd say any gun holder should have more serious mental health tests.

SIX SIX SIX THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST!

Bugger, 667...here's Maiden anyway:

Zulu - your army stuff - were you in G4 / logistics ( whatever that is)

the change of response is a response to this

Secondly, the relevance is that some people are suggesting banning things, not just finding them distasteful but actually banning them which presumably comes with force of law. Force that would be exerted against people who just want to pursue their hobbies. Authoritarians love that shit.

he deserves much of what is being said to him but really you opposing him are getting as bad

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TJ have you seriously spent the last 8 hrs or so on here defending your position/opinion. Fair enough, respect your opinion, but GET OUT it's windier in here that outside!

Loses argument - changes subject

and again 😆

zulu - want to answer that please - were you G4 / logistics?

Taxi for TJ

Is that a TJuana taxi?

Don't know mate, but this one of the flockers that made the mistake of landing on the roof.

Thanks--not exactly the same bird,but like TJ said, probably close cousins. Does look like a nice roasting or stew bird. Ones here in the US are a bunch of wiley ****ers though---as a kid, wasted a lot of good shotgun ammo punching holes in the sky.