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These are very difficult times. Guardian reports 15 deaths. My thoughts are as always with those affected.
Much worse before it gets any better I suspect.
Sadly yes, second shooting at metro station
Second shooting source?
sky news source saying marion platz station
Second shooting a false alarm thankfully.
Probably just a group of disenfranchised loners.
Hey, I'm safe. As is everyone I know. Although one person was at the OEZ at the time. She is still up there.
Find it strange that reports are sketchy and that the gunman/gunmen haven't been apprehended.... Worrying.
3 suspects, still at large, armed with Langwaffen (long rifles).
3 confirmed dead with a further 3 unconfirmed, not 15.
Public transport in the area shut down.
Multiple reports suggest at least one attacker shouted "**** foreigners".
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@ flying ox.... The shopping centre is in a more "bunt", or colourful, area. More foreigners/Muslims in the north of Munich around Milbertshofen, Hasenbergl, and Moosach. Would surprise me if a Islamic terrorist went shooting in an area with a big % of Muslims.
Crazy that the attackers have not been caught.....
It's a religion of peace you know...
It's a religion of peace you know...
What is?
Not entirely sure that the perps were Muslim or not.
Munich police tweeted asking for people not to speculate.
The main square in town, Marienplatz, is empty.... Usually full of tourists and locals at this time on a Friday.
http://www.muenchen.de/sehenswuerdigkeiten/webcam.html
Can't imagine that there will be many people at the Oktoberfest this year....
Would surprise me if a Islamic terrorist went shooting in an area with a big % of Muslims.
They seem to be doing it in Syria/Iraq last I heard.
Autobahns into and out of Munich closed. All rail stopped or diverted.... No trains arriving at main station.
@ irs.... Let us just wait and see what their Hintergrund or justification is...
Also five years to the day that Brevik went shooting. Coincidence perhaps....
Wo knows. Not me, not you.
I do wonder, given all the CCTV in a place like this, how come they have not tracked him down/cornered etc.
I do hope they take him alive also.
@alpin thanks for posting, I hope everyone you know is safe
It was reported one of the killers shot himself, if that's true it would suggest to me this was not an Islamist incident but terrorism of another sort
German media not reporting any suspects having shot themselves....
@ Bongo.... Germany doesn't have cctv coverage like in the UK.
Now 8 dead. Still no word on the attackers.
It's a religion of peace you know...
You know something the rest of us don't? Source?
Might be an idea not to speculate until there is confirmed information.
Another sickening attack by who knows what.
Given the heightened state in the Uk and the level of 'preparation' going on with public services I shall post this with the hope that no one will ever find the need to use the advice contained within.
Stay safe everyone
5 years to the day that anders brevik moron shot up oslo.
edit alpin beat me to it. it's getting to the point where i dont want to watch the news any more
Slow clap for loddrik, for being stw idiot of the week
According to the Telegraph
footage showed a gunman ranting against foreigners and Turks, suggesting a Neo Nazi attack.Children were said to be targeted.
5 years to the day that anders brevik moron shot up oslo.edit alpin beat me to it. it's getting to the point where i dont want to watch the news any more
Lets not forget that we live in a good world with good people, yes there are evil people doing unspeakable things but they must not deter the rest of us. It's easy to get depressed and harbour hate but that is what they want.
I say this after spending last weekend(Nice attack) with my mum who is 70. She has become very anxious, not for her own safety but for everything bad she see's on the news. It's easy to forget the good when the media pushes the bad so much.
Just my thoughts.
Edit. Spelling.
footage showed a gunman ranting against foreigners and Turks, suggesting a Neo Nazi attack.
So we can suggest a Neo-Nazi attack, but Lodders can't allude to an Islamic/Jihadist/So Called ISIS etc one? Admittedly in a fairly snarky fashion.
Anyway, transcript of the video in question here:
Seems to suggest the reports you linked may be wrong, Kimbers.
So we can suggest a Neo-Nazi attack, but Lodders can't allude to an Islamic/Jihadist/So Called ISIS etc one? Admittedly in a fairly snarky fashion.
But he didn't, did he?
He made a sweeping statement that a whole religion was responsible (which it isn't).
If we were to suggest a christian attack, now that might be different.
Nice troll otherwise and best kept off here.
@Alpin, and anyone else out there, take care and I don't just mean tonight.
Good posts seavers. I have just found out from a close friend originally from Munich that her family are ok but many will be worried. People are jumping to conclusions about the attackers very quickly.
Sterling work from the interns doing the BBC News live stream on Munich shootings:
1845 - ‘Munich police ask people not to post video/photos of shooters’
1851 - Posts video of shooter
thanks guys... i should be safe enough. even though i am in the south of Munich, about 2km from the centre, it feels me leaving kinda cold knowing there are three gunmen on the loose... and i'm in a ground floor flat. might close the windows tonight.
oddly, i don't know many people around that area, but a friend told us her mate was there just 30 mins before it went bang.
@alpin, stay safe. My guess (supposition) is it was a single attacker who has then shot himself. Not Islamic.
not sure if you have seen this..... guy shouting down to the gunman "you arschloch, you wichser (wonker)" and the reply "ich bin deutsche!"
Hut ab to the Burger for putting his neck out....
Shooter was apparently an 18 yo German-Iranian. An eye witness told CNN that he shouted "Allahu Akbar" as he shot people in McDonalds.
@alpin yes we had that on the news, indeed hats off to the resident for engaging with the guy.
It's always interesting to me how different news picks up different things - we see it all the time with French and UK news - we had the suicide report hours before the German police confirmed it officially.
I hope the city can come to terms with the incident, news reports are of children shot in McDonalds. Very sad
Agreed, junky... German Media seems reluctant to confirm things despite lots of foreign news outlets reporting the gunman having shot himself in the head hours before whilst the police were still looking for three gunmen.
Kinda happy knowing it was one lone nutter and not a group attack. Just a shame that the wicker managed to kill himself before the police got to him...
Sad... My girlfriend is half Persian.
There seems to be a lot of lone nutters around these days.
The only reason you do these things is for "glory". Where is the glory in shooting children?
Fair enough if you want a shoot out with some special forces types ,go for it.
That must be a more honourable death .
Cowardly losers who aren't prepared to take on a real fight. It is not exactly up there in the propaganda stakes with stern looking men , dressed in black marching with AKs.
How's that far right theory working out for all you naysayers...
It was a bit obvious though wasn't it loddrik.
Absolute madness with no solution in sight, what next?
I feel sorry for my kids (and kids everywhere). When terrorism occurred when I was younger it was generally northern Ireland related. And whatever your views on the Irish issue, there was, in general, an endgame. Now they hear about terrorism every day on the news and ask me why? Why are they doing it? What is the point? All I can tell them us that the terrorists want to kill people who believe in different superstitions (or no superstitions at all) to them. It seems to be getting worse on a weekly basis and it's coming closer to home (we were in Nice two years ago) with positively absolutely no endgame whatsoever.
The aim, such as it is, is so ridiculous that it would be absolutely hilarious if it weren't for the fact that innocent people were dying everyday for no reason whatsoever.
ISIS via you tube etc have made extreme brutality the baselinefor all their believers hence a remote human being is prepared to run over and shoot children - it's the kill them all and let God sort them out approach. The answer to this problem is unacceptable to Western democracy as it will have to introduce mass surveillance, internment, auto profileing of all the population and much much worse. This is the norm and we will have to live with it
@alpin yes indeed tough times. There are many Persians in London who came after the revolution, a couple used to run the cafe I used for lunch every day back in the early 90's
The attempted kidnapping of the RAF serviceman in UK could have ended very differently
@ loddrik.... Agree with your last paragraph 100%...