I keep reading about the use of the 'N' word; can anyone actually find the YouTube video of the broadcast where it was used?
Because as far as I'm aware, not only did Clarkson never actually use the word, (he deliberately mumbled it when reciting the old children's rhyme), but it was never even broadcast.
And I remember seeing the episode where they said 'slope' while looking at a bridge with a very definite slope from one side to the other, and it never entered my mind that they were referring to some random bloke on the far side, because the term was one used by Yanks in Vietnam, not the UK, and so not something you'd notice thirty, forty years on.
But maybe I just don't watch TV programmes with the specific intension of being outraged and offended.
Perhaps some people on here would be better off writing to the Daily Mail?
Frankly, life's too sodding short to give a toss.
I saw the slope thing and didnt get it at all. But on rewatching its clearly a "joke" so someone must have known the meaning.
]as you note you were ignorant of the term they were not as there is no other way the "joke " worksBut maybe I just don't watch TV programmes with the specific intension of being outraged and offended.
Asked by Ofcom to explain why the offending scene had aired, the BBC claimed that while Top Gear’s producers “knew that the word could be used to refer to people of Asian origin, they believed that such use was mere slang”.
However, Ofcom ruled that the word ‘slope’ was “a pejorative racial term which has the potential to be offensive to Asian people specifically, as well as to viewers more generally”.
The BBC could have edited out the scene but chose to keep it in, Ofcom said.
The report concluded: “Various nationalities have, at some point, been the subject of the presenters’ mockery during the history of this long running programme. The regular audience for this programme adjusts its expectations accordingly.
"In our view, however, in this case Jeremy Clarkson deliberately employed the offensive word to refer to the Asian person crossing the bridge as well as the camber of the bridge.
“Ofcom noted that this sequence was scripted in advance, and that clear consideration was given at the time of production to using the term ‘slope’ to formulate what the production team intended to be humorous word play around it.
“There was clearly an opportunity both during filming and post-production to research the word and reach a more considered view on whether it was ‘mere slang’ and had the potential to cause offence to viewers…
“We noted that the BBC provided no other arguments to justify the potential offence in the context.”
as for the n word clarkson admitted doing it and apologised for it ....well eventually
http://www.theguardian.com/media/video/2014/may/02/jeremy-clarkson-begs-forgiveness-n-word-video
he said he tried so hard to avoid saying the n word and he claims it was the "best known version" and it sounds like it but he did everything in his power to not say that word but his "efforts were not quite good enough"
It was never broadcast as the BBC and he are not that daft.
Life is never to short to challenge racists nor to stop caring about it.
I feel like that was meant to be a joke, but I can't think of an ending.
Happy ?
(Sorry 😳 )
I guess the German Top Gear should fly some He-111's over London on remembrance day then.That'd be hilarious.
Funny, I don't remember the German episode being filmed over VE day. Which it would have to be to have any sort of equivalence with what you're suggesting.
Guessing you're not German anyway, from the numerous Germans I know and have met none of them would have been offended by the Spitfire "stunt". Contrary to popular opinion they do in fact have a sense of humour.
Unlike us it would seem. We just prefer moaning about shit that we otherwise wouldn't have heard of on behalf of people who never asked us to; the infamous 'White Knights' of the internet. Could someone explain the difference between the keyboard warriors and the Argentine mobs please because I'm having a hard time seeing one.
I dont claim to represent anyone , nor am I able to speak for germans, unlike you. Oh the irony
I have also not bothered to go the trouble of drawing an inaccurate caricature of you and then attacking it.
Could someone explain the difference between the keyboard warriors and the Argentine mobs please because I'm having a hard time seeing one.
Really? You must be a bit hard of thinking then.
What exactly have they done? I didn't watch it as I'm one of the people who got a bit bored of the staged 'challenges'.
"They "did one of their usual themes where they deliberately offend people and stage a confrontation to create a bit of drama then pretend they did not mean to do it. It achieved the script's intention of creating some drama in a road trip film and some debate on the Internet .
Your saying the rock throwing mob was staged?
Ah, that's why I can't watch it any more. Did a caravan fall off a cliff or get dropped from a crane at any point?
No.
I was being ironical.
This thread doesn't do irony. It's all about nuance 😉
I was being ironical.
Are you Alanis Morrisette?
What exactly have they done? I didn't watch it as I'm one of the people who got a bit bored of the staged 'challenges'.
You are not a 'BIG Hitter' though so predictable staged challenges needent concern people like you.
Crikey give the guy a break, how to discourage new forumites in one easy lesson....
Just watched the 1st part on iplayer and it was pretty poor even by TG recent standards. TG is well past it's sell by date, the series is tired and the specials are lame. Clarkson uses the UK TG as a platform for his bigoted views and the justification for his UKIP -esque 'humour' is the revenue that TG generates for the BBC.
Does anyone actually know how much money from TG Ltd goes back into the BBC??
This thread doesn't do irony. It's all about nuance
Adds to al's list of funniest thread posts
Chapeau
Racism, xenophbia, etc., etc.
Does TG need these in order to entertain those that enjoy it?
Does laddish humour have to involve the above?
I don't think it does. If it was just three blokes dicking about in cars, scripted or otherwise then it'd be fine.
Watching the "slope" clip again (on Charlie Brooker's Wipe) it was an obvious racist comment.
They had the chance to remove it but obviously thought it was funny.
Remove the clip and what had the programme lost?
If the BBC feel the need to bring in viewing figures with these sort of acts then it's a sad state of affairs.
I don't believe BBC or TG team to be racist, but
, the BBC claimed that while Top Gear’s producers “knew that the word could be used to refer to people of Asian origin, they believed that such use was mere slang”
They are lying, self serving & arrogant establishment scum, in their use of public funds.
yeah, and I cant think anyone benefits from the apathetic keyboard worriers being hemmed into this thread more than the "establishment"
however one advertiser complains about your thread Al, its gone, you know it and i know it.
however one advertiser complains about your thread Al, its gone, you know it and i know it.
I bet it doesn't.
They are lying, self serving & arrogant establishment scum, in their use of public funds.
Their use of public funds? As the show makes more money than any other BBC production it seems like a good deal for the licence payer.
the apathetic keyboard worriers
A typo, I presume; but providing a much more apt description.
I didn't know until now that Clarkson, May and Hammond and some of the production crew weren't in the convoy that got pelted. They flew out and were tucked up in a hotel in Chile while 20 odd technicians ran the gauntlet with all the kit.
I bet it doesn't.
I bet it does.
...just to keep things ticking along.
I didn't know until now that Clarkson, May and Hammond and some of the production crew weren't in the convoy that got pelted. They flew out and were tucked up in a hotel in Chile while 20 odd technicians ran the gauntlet with all the kit.
They referred repeatedly to the crew being the ones in the convoy of doom. The lack of mention of how the 'stars' got away led to figure a plane or chopper probably allowed them to by pass the threat. What became of the cars, I wonder?
establishment
So that's it.
It's all about class.
Their use of public funds? As the show makes more money than any other BBC production it seems like a good deal for the licence payer
Does anyone actually know how much money from TG Ltd goes back into the BBC??
I suspect it makes a handful of people very wealthy (including Clarkson) and adds little value to the license payers.
Almost correct
Quote from the guy who helped them leave.
[b]Confirming controversial Clarkson and his co-presenters left the southern city of Ushuaia by plane and were not with Top Gear technicians who were attacked by locals as they headed for Chile overland with a police escort, he added: 'Neither Jeremy Clarkson or the other two were in the convoy when it left the province.
'That was because the local government's primary concern was to save peoples' lives.
'We reserved 13 seats on an Aerolineas Argentinas flight which left Ushuaia for Buenos Aires at 7.30pm that same day with the three presenters and the production team.
They were invited to leave and decided to do so by plane because of the fear they were experiencing
'We made those reservations at their request after they accepted our invitation to leave the province and as soon as they decided they wanted to go.
'The local government never forced them to leave. They were invited to leave and decided to do so by plane because of the fear they were experiencing.
'The technicians were the only ones who left the area by land. They were about 15 to 20. There was no other option for them because they had all the equipment used for filming.
'We ordered the opening of a border pass to ensure there was no risk to their lives or wellbeing.
'While they were crossing, Jeremy Clarkson would have been nice and warm in Buenos Aires.'[/b]
BBC Worldwide makes a profit of over £150m a year - I think I remember reading that about 40% of that is from Top Gear. It's broadcast in 170 countries, and with 21 series worth there's a lot of repeat showings. There's several localised versions (and more planned) of the TV show. Their DVDs regularly top the UK sales charts, the naff books and CD music compilations likewise. The magazine sells well in the declining UK market and is localised for about 30 countries too. The Top Gear Live shows go around the world in the off-season between filming.
Clarkson and Wilman made quite a bit of extra cash via their company that held rights to various TG stuff, although that's been mostly co-owned with BBC Worldwide since shortly after it was created, and the BBC bought the remaining part from them a year or two ago so it's all BBC income now.
I believe their annual budget for making it is well under £10m for everything (stars' salaries, overseas specials and all) so still making a good £50m a year for the BBC to spend on other things.
I suspect it makes a handful of people very wealthy (including Clarkson) and adds little value to the license payers.
I suspect thats a load of rubbish you made up to suit your point of view.
Lets not spoil a good ruck by bringing silly facts into the equation!
and pays dividends of £80m per year. I think that the BBC gets at most 10% of its funding from BBC Worldwide and I suspect the TG contribution of 40% is over inflated. If TG costs £10m p/a to make, is that cost paid for by the Aunty Beeb to a private production company eg. Bedder 6 and then sold globally by BBC Worldwide Ltd?BBC Worldwide makes a profit of over £150m a year
Almost correct
almost informative, why not just give the facts if you have them?
Ah, money. Must remember that making money glosses over/forgives the all the other sins.
Surely using a car transporter to remove the cars would have been a safer, more logical solution? They do have them in Argentina, don't they?
Was there any good reason for those cowardly chaps delegating that task to their crew? Uplifting and covering the cars would have defused things, wouldn't it?
It wouldn't help with the storyline but it's hardly fair making someone further down the food-chain risk getting smashed in the face with a rock either...
Bedder 6 is entirely owned by BBC Worldwide these days.
Ah, money. Must remember that making money glosses over/forgives the all the other sins.
Indeed. Racism, Xenophobia, Homophobia and Sexism are all fine as long as the numbers stack up. It's almost like money is the be-all and end-all. Who knew?
Lets not spoil a good ruck by bringing silly facts into the equation!
We've had plenty of facts from the start of the this thread but it seems that the only ones worth anything are those that relate to profit.
I would have thought it would be very very sensible to remove the presenters of TG as quickly as possible from the situation as they would be the recognisable targets of the attackers. I am sure that if the threat had been even greater [b]when they had to make the decision who was to get on the plane (not in hindsight)[/b] then all the crew would have been flown out and kit left behind they couldn't take on the flight. As it was the situation looked like it ended up getting worse than they expected (the dangerous blockade was near the border crossing they were heading for) but thankfully they managed to escape another way without serious injury.
Rob, you have to assume that the professional security man (who was there at the time) knew better than those who weren't...
