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Sorry Mr Cameron, I don't have any scottish friends, and even if I did I'd urge them to vote Yes.
Cool story, bro.
I wonder how much of a negative (and unintended) reaction this will have..
All the Scottish people I know will do anything for their birth country except actually live there
(*adds smiley because he's not that serious* 😉 )
so I'm no help either.
Interesting that the SNP were able to capitalise on this speech as a sign of Westminster panic. It would take a particular kind of incompetence to overturn the 60% majority in favour of the union, but I wonder if Dave couldn't just do it... At any rate this will go dowwn as a banana skin. Better just to stay out of it and let the SNP mess it up.
A cabbie talking (well, shouting) about independence. Very sweary, but brilliant 😉
The one thing that really annoys me about that Cameron speech - not the doing it from London, not the use of the Olympics - the one thing is his idea of the UK as a "brand".
That's right, marketing man Dave thinks a country of 70 million people is a bit like Morrisons.
[i]That's right, marketing man Dave thinks a country of 70 million people is a bit like Morrisons. [/i]
That's ridiculous.
It's definitely a bit like Waitrose around here.
I'm confused, are we supposed to be telling Scottish friends to do what's best or worst for them.
Depending on your stance, you could phone your Scottish friend and say "get out whilst you've got the chance"
That's the daft thing - Dave is assuming that everyone in England is happy with the current situation and will go along with his idea to show us the love.
It's part of a pattern, though. He doesn't actually engage the debate in Scotland (because he says, rightly, that he's not in charge of Better Together), but he's happy to get other people to lean on us. Getting UK embassies to brief against the Scottish government, trying to get Putin to weigh in on independence, getting multinationals to comment, and now trying to get the people of the rest of the UK to persuade us.
Imagine the Tory joy were the germans and french to do the same over an EU vote.
Imagine the Tory joy were the germans and french to do the same over an EU vote.
Ask the UK to leave, or ask the UK to stay? Most Germans I know are heartily sick of the UK whining about Europe all the time and would be happy to see the back of us.
It's part of a pattern, though. He doesn't actually engage the debate in Scotland (because he says, rightly, that he's not in charge of Better Together), but he's happy to get other people to lean on us. Getting UK embassies to brief against the Scottish government, trying to get Putin to weigh in on independence, getting multinationals to comment, and now trying to get the people of the rest of the UK to persuade us.
Just sounds like an effective way of irritating the electorate to be honest.
It would take a particular kind of incompetence to overturn the 60% majority in favour of the union,
But at least it would secure Dave a place in history.
I don't think the result is a foregone conclusion. Were the SNP not something like 15% behind before the 2011 election. They then won an outright majority is a system specifically designed to stop them doing it.
Or as the former Labour minister George Robertson said "devolution will kill nationalism stone dead."
I'm still undecided.
I always liked Henning Wehns take on the UK in Europe debate.
"Just look at a map"
Ask the UK to leave, or ask the UK to stay?
I more meant imagine how they would react to foreigners with no say in their election trying to influence their decision....its hardly like to endear anyone and not likely to work
I agree the EU is getting tired of the UK being a lone voice of criticism and the French president, this week, was pretty dismissive of the re nogation stance....we [EU] wont do anything just because one country wants to basically
That's right, marketing man Dave thinks a country of 70 million people is a bit like Morrisons.That's ridiculous.
It's definitely a bit like Waitrose around here.
That would imply we were run on a socialist basis, with fair working conditions like the John Lewis Partnership.
When actually we're doing everything on the cheap and ruled by Germans - so Lidl or Aldi.
Cameron just said "We don't walk on by when people get sick".
From the man who brought you ATOS and NHS privatisation.
Apparently he's a big fan of the BBC and green energy too.
It's a shame my Scottish mrs doesn't get to vote. I'd encourage her to vote for independence.
Some competition on corporation tax would be very welcome. Getting shot of all those Labour MPs would be good too...
Getting shot of all those Labour MPs would be good too...
All those troublesome Labour MPs, who keep trying to out-Tory the Tories? Yup, you're well shot of them 😉
Actually, I think Scottish independence would be a very good thing for England too - knocking the elite down a peg or two, reducing their world standing, might encourage some better policies for everyone else. Maybe.
or just give us a Tory government forever.
'imagine a boot stamping on a human face'
etc.
bencooper - MemberCameron just said "We don't walk on by when people get sick".
No, we stop and put the boot in.
I have a few Scottish friends but they already very anti-independence.
Northwind - MemberNo, we stop and put the boot in.
and then send them a bill.
footflaps - Member
I have a few Scottish friends but they already very anti-independence.
Oh, well, that's the referendum sorted then.
reducing their world standing
Do you really think it will make much difference?
The population of Scotland is less than 9% of the total UK population. Not going to make a massive difference.
If Salmond get's his way and the Scots break away, meaning huge costs for both sides to facilitate this, what happens if it all goes tits up for them and they want back into the UK when the EURO bubble pops?
Is the rest of the UK going to give them the bill for all of the UK's set up cost that the Scot's have caused us?
Is the rest of the UK going to give them the bill for all of the UK's set up cost that the Scot's have caused us?
It was pre-paid with all the oil revenue that gets booked via London.
Just another example of Mr Camerons double standards. If you want even more of this government by remote control vote no in September.
If Salmond get's his way and the Scots break away, meaning huge costs for both sides to facilitate this, what happens if it all goes tits up for them and they want back into the UK when the EURO bubble pops?
How many countries that gained their independence in the last say 100 years have decided that it was a bad idea and tried to rejoin the mother country?
East Germany
Sort of
Can't think of any relevant examples
Do you really think it will make much difference?
Probably having to give up nuclear weapons and then pressured into giving up the Security Council seat might have a bit of an effect on some egos.
CMD is making such an arse of it I think it's a double bluff and he actually [i]wants[/i] to split up the union.
Every time he talks he nudges me a little more towards a yes 😐
For another little nudge, listen to Tommy Sheridan:
Probably having to give up nuclear weapons and then pressured into giving up the Security Council seat might have a bit of an effect on some egos.
Giving up nuclear weapons? That's not a given, although finding somewhere as handy as Faslane and Coulport will be pretty difficult.
All Security Council members have a veto, so they don't have to go anywhere.