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No its called distraction. Nu Labour used positive PR to bury bad news days.
Didn't Tony just used to invade somewhere else in the middle east to bury bad news
Okay for you lot panic buyers there is law governing storing of fuel apparently so try not to stock up too much.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17548007 ]Legally using jerry can ... [/url]
The pic of the guy carrying 6 jerry cans to fill up is probably illegal ... 😀
[url= http://www.****/news/article-2121984/Fuel-panic-ministers-say-wait-cars-tank-half-topping-up.html ]ProperNews[/url]
Well that wasn't so bad - car was in the middle of the red and I've got a trip at the weekend I have to make so fuelled up - about a 15min wait.
The AA said Increased sales of #fuel from #panic buying on Wednesday will bring in more than £32 million in extra fuel excise duty.Conspiracy theory anyone?
Nah. Right about now the amount of fuel held by the general public must be at its highest ever as half the country have brimmed up tanks. We won't be using it any faster than normal; probably a lot slower as the nation goes into conservation mode to make it last and cut out unnecessary journeys. So whilst they have taken extra excise duty this week it'll even out or even be less than normal in the long run.
I think the conspiracy theories need go further than: " in the 80's we beat the miners by using the police & stockpiling coal. This time round we'll use the army and stockpile petrol to beat the tanker drivers. "
[i]We won't be using it any faster than normal; probably a lot slower as the nation goes into conservation mode to make it last and cut out unnecessary journeys. So whilst they have taken extra excise duty this week it'll even out or even be less than normal in the long run. [/i]
tis true, but the Governer has already written off the next quarter. Its this quarter ending that counts to whether we're "officially" in recession or not.
I say stockpile it as much as you can so the petrol stations will be free of cars for months to come. 😆
got me thinking. Instead of a child trust fund, wouldnt it make more sense to buy a f***** huge tank and put a litre of petrol in it every week until their 18th birthday?
probably a lot slower as the nation goes into conservation mode to make it last and cut out unnecessary journeys.
Doesn't that assume that people have some kind of common sense? Which we have seen from the panic buying is something clearly lacking in most of the population.
Its not everyone at it though- otherwise there would be mile after a mile queues. Its the compulsive lot- probably driving for a day then topping again whilst bumping into those that need petrol normally.
got me thinking. Instead of a child trust fund, wouldnt it make more sense to buy a f***** huge tank and put a litre of petrol in it every week until their 18th birthday?
It would cost you a fortune to protect it from the rioting masses.
...I guess you could always electrify the tank to stop people touching it.....oh hang on...
wouldnt it make more sense to buy a f***** huge tank and put a litre of petrol in it every week until their 18th birthday?
Petrol has a limited lifespan, it goes off and loses potency(*). So you'd have a big tank of useless petrol. Happy birthday.
(* - like a lot of people here 😀 )
nuclear fuel then. Im going to start stockpiling.
That didnt flag up on a machine somewhere. Did it?
Its the compulsive lot- probably driving for a day then topping again whilst bumping into those that need petrol normally.
Part of the seige mentality some have? The people who buy weeks supplies of food as the shops are shut for 2 days over Christmas.
[url= http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/2012/03/29/to-queue-or-not-to-queue-that-is-the-question/ ]Interesting....[/url]
Exactly how long does diesel or petrol last? Maybe i should store up a lifetimes supply.
Exactly how long does diesel or petrol last? Maybe i should store up a lifetimes supply.
If you did you could be a very rich man in 20 years.
If you did you could be a very rich man in 20 years.
Are you saying the HoratioHufnagal has only got 20 years left? If so, you should have broken it a bit more gently I think.
I think it's about a year (for petrol)? Let me ask my resident petrolhead, moment.
Potentially 10 years with huge faff...
20 years gives enough time to enjoy the riches.
Seems I'm partially misremembering; according to my petrolhead mate it was Optimax I was thinking of, they used additives to boost the octane which deteriorated over time.
However, there's a nice write-up here,
http://www.autocar.co.uk/forums/t/8984.aspx
Basically says that in a sealed container and optimum conditions it'll last for 6-12 months before it starts going off. In suboptimal conditions (like for example, your petrol tank) it'll start going off after a couple of [i]weeks. [/i]Eep.
Diesel isn't wholly dissimilar time-wise as far as I can gather, but rather than losing potency it absorbs water from the atmosphere, then destroys engines. 😯
Petrol grabbing idiot:
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Done! NO queueing well trucks were but I went round them! You need to know where to go.... Starions have popped their prices up though. Funny that.
Well i nearly ran out on the way to work because of a load of fuppin muppets. At least i could still laugh as i watched people waiting in a massive line and still insisted on using only the pumps on the same side as their filler cap when i finally found somewhere not sold out! Luckily as i was on my bike i just ignored the line!!!
supposed to be driving to liverpool tonight im relying on londoners being too lazy to panic buy so hopefully my empty tank will get filled!
Petrol grabbing idiot:
Empty can grabbing idiot you mean, surely
That, or worlds stongest man 🙂
Potentially 10 years with huge faff...
So the stuff we have stored at work from about 12 years ago that has nothing done to it is breaking the law of science. It was tested the other week and the guy declared it as perfect, I asked him how long it should last. His answer was pretty much forever as long as no water gets in.
Well, when the stupid effing strikers realise they are running out of food at home, and their familes are going hungry becasue of what they are doing, they'll all toddle back off to work.Striking = Shooting yourself in the foot in every way imaginable.
So you think that fuel tanker drivers who are organised in a trade union and engage in collective bargaining are at a disadvantage ? That all they have managed to do is 'shoot themselves in the foot' ?
Tell me PP, what would be the pay and conditions of fuel tanker drivers if they hadn't been in a trade union and been prepared to take industrial action if necessary ? ...... although this will be the first national strike for 12 years.
Presumably they would be much better off than they are today - if they hadn't been shooting themselves in the foot. Any ideas what that might be ? Care to have a guess what they might be earning today, if the unions hadn't screwed things up for them ?
I have to say that it amazes me how some people on here begrudge ordinary working men and women earning a half decent wage, preferring instead for the money to go to wealthy oil companies - which never cease to make mind-boggling profits even during hard times and recessions.
They denounce workers who want a decent wage as "greedy" whilst throwing their weight behind greedy oil companies who are screwing them !
Unless you are an oil industry executive it makes about as much sense as a chocolate fireguard.
It reminds me of the Wapping dispute. Here one of the world's wealthiest and most powerful men was in dispute with his own workers because he wanted to be even more wealthy and more powerful. Unbelievably, some people who were clearly not billionaires themselves, and probably barely had a pot to piss in, backed Rupert Murdoch claiming that the print workers were "greedy".
I never did figure out why it was perfectly ok for Rupert Murdoch to be greedy despite already having far more money than he knew what to do with. But more importantly, how they thought Rupert Murdoch becoming even wealthier at the expense of ordinary workers like themselves would enhance their own lives. Most bizarre.
[url= http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/articles/opinion/15668-a-fuel-tanker-drivers-story ]A fuel tanker driver's story[/url]
the oil industry effectively prevented any unionisation of workers when the north sea infrastructure was developed by the last lot of torries
im sure the fact that the tanker drivers are so heavily unionised really pisses them off
i wonder if the new tory government has taken any large donnation from the oil industry lately
oh yeahh.........
which never cease to make mind-boggling profits even during hard times and recessions.They denounce workers who want a decent wage as "greedy" whilst throwing their weight behind greedy oil companies who are screwing them !
Hmmm - The government take nearly a pound in tax from every litre of petrol at the pump, to pay for your beloved public services.
Yet you somehow think its the fuel companies who make a profit of about two pence per litre that are screwing us.
🙄
Perhaps we should be told now where Tandem Jeremey is, obviously plaaning the real fuel strike and bringing the country to its knees, and as a starter geting Stanstead bagage handlers to strike over easter.
lol.
Only Zulu-Eleven would come along and claim that oil companies don't make huge profits ! 😀
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14321819 ]Shell profits jump 77% on higher oil prices[/url]
Do you understand how percentages work Ernie? 😉
At least i could still laugh as i watched people waiting in a massive line and still insisted on using only the pumps on the same side as their filler cap
I only use the pump on the cap side, otherwise I have to either scratch my paintwork or stand holding a hose above the car for 5 minutes. Both are stupid when there's nothing but a short wait for a pump on the right side.
Well I understand that oil companies make huge profits, and I also understand that Zulu-Eleven will claim black is white and white is black, and make any other ridiculous claim which completely contradicts reality, if he feels he needs to. HTH
I struggle with long sentences, but has anyone mentioned the theory this is a govt idea to avoid a double dip recession?
capt jon,
yes, already agreed and established as fact*
*probably 😉
I wasn't too bothered about the fuel 'crisis' but it's now prevented the ice cream man from making his rounds & ive had no pudding.
Well, the idiots have won. No fuel in either of the garages I passed on my way home tonight.
Filled up last night, because I was in the red and had to get to work the next day. Passed 3 petrol stations with small queues but nothing too crazy, though I heard the local ASDA which has the cheapest petrol was rammed and ran out last night.
To be honest, I'm kind of liking this at the moment, because it's exposing the Tories for being a bunch of ridiculous morons.
Right,i've got my jerry cans full of fuel but don't know where to store it!!
The baths allrady full of the stamps and pasties i'm stock piling 😀
Tell me PP, what would be the pay and conditions of fuel tanker drivers if they hadn't been in a trade union and been prepared to take industrial action if necessary ? ...... although this will be the first national strike for 12 years.
Tell me what you know of ADR and the hours they must work. The tanker drivers are well paid for the hours they work (limited by law) and the job they do.
TooTall - MemberTell me what you know of ADR and the hours they must work. The tanker drivers are well paid for the hours they work (limited by law) and the job they do.
You think PP is wrong and the fuel tanker drivers have done rather well as the result of being in a trade union and being prepared to take industrial action if necessary ? I suspect you might be right.
And if you want to know more about fuel tanker drivers and the reasons for this possible industrial action, then I suggest you watch the video in this link :
[url= http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/articles/opinion/15668-a-fuel-tanker-drivers-story ]A fuel tanker driver's story[/url]
It's delivered in a soothing scottish accent and pleasant background music.
Tootall are you sure? Voxpox on TV last night and a woman was complaining to a Union leader/driver on the news that he 'gets upto 47k a year for driving a vehicle'.
His counter-argument was that he has to drive upto 15hours a day.
If anyone drove for 15hours aday regularly you'd kill yourself nevermind drive a petrol tanker into someone?!!!
His argument did seem abit ❓
Yes tanker drivers earn good money, but,
They aren't allowed to drive for 15 hours, that will be the working day.
They have the shift pattern from hell.
And it's not the money there striking about.
Pension, training and shortening of the daily run times are the main problems.
So you think that fuel tanker drivers who are organised in a trade union and engage in collective bargaining are at a disadvantage ? That all they have managed to do is 'shoot themselves in the foot' ?
Yes. I think they, and anyone else who strikes, is a bloody idiot. A selfish one at that.
That is my opinion. There is nothing you can do to change it.
In my job, nobody strikes. Striking over H&S? Give it a fekking break! I work in the inshore industry that kills more than any other. Last year I had a 20%-ish pay cut. Nowt I could do about it. That's the way it goes for some of us.
You suck it up, or go elsewhere if you don't like it.
Yes, I have done that.
I have to say that it amazes me how some people on here begrudge ordinary working men and women earning a half decent wage
Lorry drivers? Hard working? Phhhhhhhhhhh.
I don't begrudge them anything they own, or anyone else. It's none of my business. But they earn 50+% more than me, apparently, for sitting on their arses all day.
Tell me PP, what would be the pay and conditions of fuel tanker drivers if they hadn't been in a trade union and been prepared to take industrial action if necessary ?
Probably no differnet to what it is now, except they'd have more money in their pockets after not wasting money on union subs. And if they're on strike, they're loosing money (Unauthorised absence) on top of that. Hence the foot shooting.