[Closed] PETA, milk and Autism

Full fat or skimmed?

Very ethical animal care organisation that reportedly puts down 80% of the animals it takes into care.

I've had lots of time for PETA in the past - they've always been thought provoking and certainly made me question some of my own preconceptions. However, I've seen this on Twitter in the last few days and like yourself, am pretty disgusted that they'd stoop to this level of scaremongering on what seems like shaky-to-****-all scientific basis. They're down there with your man and his vaccinations bullshit a few years ago now. Really disappointing. They are taking a hammering on social media for it though.

Peta, 23 from Essex?

Words fail me.

So much wrongness.

It's like they're trying to **** themselves up.

They are taking a hammering on social media for it though.

Good.

It's true to form IME. They've always been well-intentioned but with questionable / ill-conceived practices, I've always held that any demographic has an extreme vocal minority that gives the rest a bad name and as a vegetarian of a quarter of a century PETA is ours.

Plus, y'know, Aspie <- and I don't want ****ing fixing. Pricks.

Oh the irony but I see parallels with blacks and BLM, Antifa and anti-fascists, cyclists and roadies etc. So you're not alone in your outrage my pasty aneamic bredrin.

Maybe they should have tested it on animals before giving it to children?

If vegans want to earn the respect of normal people they need to stop publishing medical claptrap 😉

pastry

😆

Back under your bridge, shithead. I'm furious and have a hammer.

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How many calves do you see with autism? None, I'll wager. Science, right there.

How many calves do you see with autism? None, I'll wager. Science, right there.

I don't think it's quite that much of a black and white issue

If vegans want to earn the respect of normal people they need to stop publishing medical claptrap

peta really do NOT represent the views of any vegans i know, myself included. make sure you let the other normos know please. ta.

Use of small samples is endemic in advertising - see L'Oréal for example. It's crap but better than the vxers - giving up dairy is unlikely to cause a problem for other people.

peta really do NOT represent the views of any vegans i know, myself included.

I thought he / she was trying to mock the argument, "if cyclists want respect they need to get their house in order" or "if Muslim want respect they need to stop bombing everything" or any other stupid argument using the same logic.

Or they may actually be serious....

How many calves do you see with autism?

I've seen a few, alone in the herd, looking over fences, counting red cars and blue cars, one side of the field on a Monday, the other side on a Tuesday. Tried to take one to the casino once but the management weren't having it. They knew that calf was a savant.

[quote=TheBrick ]I thought he / she was trying to mock the argument, "if cyclists want respect they need to get their house in order"

they did put a smiley at the end - it was indeed based on the usual anti-cyclist BS, and they presume Cougar got it, but they suppose they should clarify for anybody confused. Admittedly "normal people" was a bit of a low blow, but they're a naughty, naughty person.

PETA really try hard to come up with the most ridiculous ideas they can.... or at least that's the impression I get

After all wasn't it them that tried to describe pet ownership as being akin to owning slaves not so long ago

So, it transpires this is an old (2008) article resurfaced.

https://themighty.com/2017/09/peta-got-autism-campaign/

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A spokesperson for PETA told The Mighty:

This is an old campaign that is still on our website because we have heard from people who have said it contains helpful information. Many families have found that a dairy-free diet can help children with autism, and since the consumption of dairy products has been linked to asthma, constipation, recurrent ear infections, iron deficiency, anemia, and even cancer, dumping dairy is a healthy choice that everyone can make.
>>[/i]

... so that's alright then. The article stands because anecdotally milk causes cancer.

**** me gently with a chainsaw.

who takes PETA seriously anyway.

As long as bacon is ok...

I don't think it's quite that much of a black and white issue

Oh well done good sir 😆

who takes PETA seriously anyway.

In my experience, omnivores whose only experience of people who don't eat red meat is these gobshites.

Nobody actually takes PETA seriously, do they? I thought they consisted of about nine Trustafarian students in Brighton.

Incidentally, and this is [b]pure unscientific anecdote[/b], I stopped drinking milk (and putting it on cereal and coffee) a couple of years ago after a friend, who was advised to avoid milk as part of his MS treatment, reported that his sinuses felt much better for it.

As an asthmatic and chronically snotty git I gave it a try and it does seem to have made a difference. I'm not committed enough to go proper dairy free though. I like cheese and butter too much for that.

GrahamS

As an asthmatic and chronically snotty git I gave it a try and it does seem to have made a difference. I'm not committed enough to go proper dairy free though. I like cheese and butter too much for that.

Same here- asthma, ulcerative colitis, sniffy all day kind of guy. I forgot the other week and made a smoothie with milk- within 10 mins of drinking it, I had a runny nose.

I know this is anecdotal, just a sample of me and you, but-

I keep a Kakapo feather in my left pocket, I've never had bad Aids - I know this is anecdotal but...

Only vaguely related but I had an amusing chat with my sister in law over the weekend. She has a "hardcore" vegan friend who is pregnant and had to "seriously think" about whether to breast feed their baby because, you know, breast milk comes from animals...

Loads of people don't tolorate dairy very well, the co-incidence of asthma, excema and indeed autism is more than likely just that: coincidence.

dairy and being snotty is a well known link. dunno if its scientifically proven but its something I was taught in my old fashioned nurse training.

Our genetic adaptation to drink dairy into adulthood, is a fascinating example of genetics and evolution. It's been a huge fitness advantage, well worth a snotty nose ! Probably even autism ( not that I believe a word of that PETA bollox)
Posted before but fascinating; https://www.nature.com/news/archaeology-the-milk-revolution-1.13471

Sadly the internet is full of flat earthers, anti-vaxers, climate change deniers, people who lap this conspiracy theories up, ffs there's one in the White House,!

She has a "hardcore" vegan friend who is pregnant and had to "seriously think" about whether to breast feed their baby because, you know, breast milk comes from animals...

Assuming that's a true story; that's not a vegan issue, it's a stupid issue.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-41235131
They do have some classics there

[quote=mikewsmith > http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-41235131
They do have some classics there

I'm not sure why PETA are so keen to defend the rights of cruel insect eaters anyway.

for some reason I keep PETA in the same mental box as the daily mail. Maybe it's because they both peddle shouty, made up, click bait bollocks and I think they're just in it for themselves.

and since the consumption of dairy products has been linked to asthma, constipation, recurrent ear infections, iron deficiency, anemia, and even cancer, dumping dairy is a healthy choice that everyone can make.

Dear me. 😯

PETA broke into a research facility I worked at (cancer drugs amongst other serious potentially life saving pharmaceuticals) and let the animals out the cages (to roam the site) apart from the rats. They killed the rats.

Cranking up the argument and milking it, eh?

Every vegetarian's favourite "oh shite, what have they done 'in our name' now?" organisation PETA are running a campaign that asserts that milk makes autism worse. Based on a study of 20 people.

96.4%* of scientific studies use samples <= 20

*I may have made that number up ...

but as someone else said 95% of XXX said this made hair hair feel silkier ... wrinkles disappear etc.
(with small disclaimer that this was 20 people responding to a free sample)

However it's still somewhat valid in that with no other bias it's still a 50/50 ...
As quite a few people posted there are definitely people who feel less snotty without dairy .. and of those most seem specifically bovine ...

However as I am in a group of food intolerants (Coeliac) I also see a lot of cross over... and many in the autistic spectrum also say they have a harder time with both ...

[b]This might well be anecdotal but I haven't seen a proper study dismissing it....[/b]
I know that I personally get much more mucus and crap with bovine dairy (but I have it in coffee anyway) ... I'm not vegan or even close BTW.... but equally with my own diagnosis I have tested and noticed many things to myself that have simply been dismissed by a Dr. and then [b]years[/b] later it turns out I was correct in observing myself.

The point is there are millions of people who react badly to all sorts of foods but 90% of their observations are just dismissed and never correlated.at some point someone finds 10-100 of them but then this is dismissed due to sample size .. on the other hand the dairy (or whichever other food) industry has essentially limitless cash to fund bad science and selective results...

I've got no axe to grind on this... I'm not even close to vegetarian, let alone vegan but don't be so quick to view a sample of 20 as "it must be rubbish then" ... it's a long way from a proper study but I know a lot of people who do actually benefit from this (and most of them are not vegans)

I guess one of the most convincing things I saw on dairy was totally anecdotal (almost doubly so)....but it was an interview with a Chinese gymnast... and the interviewer was basically saying that Chinese and East Asian people were more flexible in general than westerners ... the convincing anecdote was the gymnast just looked totally lost and dead pan and said "but you drink milk" .... as if this was (and perhaps is in her circles) so widely known that everyone would know it... it was almost as if she was surprised that people didn't realise and it was like smoking causes lung cancer...

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-41235131 ]PETA do seem to like a row.[/url]

Only vaguely related but I had an amusing chat with my sister in law over the weekend. She has a "hardcore" vegan friend who is pregnant and had to "seriously think" about whether to breast feed their baby because, you know, breast milk comes from animals...

yeah, she's an idiot.
i see it as being all about consent; non-human animals do not/are unable to offer their consent for us to take and use their milk. human breast milk is quite obviously meant to feed human babies. that's the difference.

I guess one of the most convincing things I saw on dairy was totally anecdotal...

If that's the most convincing thing, the rest must be total bollocks. See upthread for article about human ability to digest milk - the majority of SE Asians don't have the required gene, so don't produce the necessary enzyme. Clearly that isn't the only genetic difference.

Correlation != causation

Peta; as a vegetarian non milk drinker...not in my name. They have a weird mindset of "rescuing" animals and then killing them.