That vandalism is sad and unnecessary.
Vandalism? I thought that was the Tories new slogan and central office we’re getting it painted on all the constituency offices.
Randox probably thinking they couldn’t buy this sort of publicity…oh no wait…
Once again Johnson has torched a lot of political capital on someone who ended up resigning anyway
Hardly surprising given his own casual attitude to corruption
That vandalism is sad and unnecessary.
It's really not. Considering what the tories have done to millions of people in the last 11 years I'm surprised there are any constituency offices or conservative clubs left standing. Had they all been burnt down by an angry mob then you can bet Johnson, Rees Mogg and the rest of the pig-f*****s wouldn't be so brazenly self-serving and indifferent. It'll never happen though, which is a shame. I guess people in this country have bought into the myth that they deserve to be shat upon by their supposed superiors.
So he's resigned now, but with the most pompous statement possible for someone found to be corrupt.
And now apparently he doesn't want his wife's suicide to be used as a political football, even though it was fine for him to blame her death on the enquiry. What an absolutely shameful omnishambles the whole thing is.
I think saying natural justice too many times has come back to haunt him.
Corrupt
Useless
Numpty
Twunts
I hope this ****er keeps burning until he crashes into whatever he ends up crashing into.
I hope that dozy blond ****er also burns.
One glimmer of hope is my local Tory MP abstained because he objected to the way the Gov had gone about trying to reform the process. He qualified his abstention that he thinks it needs some reformation and he trotted out the line about the current process being unfit because of the two years it took to sort this out (yeah yeah dude turns out that was all Patterson's doing), but at the end of the day he had the bollock to abstain (voting no would have taken both bollocks).
Just to say I laughed and laughed and laughed when I saw he'd resigned this afternoon. And then laughed some more. Who says politics can't be fun.
It’s really not. Considering what the tories have done to millions of people in the last 11 years I’m surprised there are any constituency offices or conservative clubs left standing. Had they all been burnt down by an angry mob then you can bet Johnson, Rees Mogg and the rest of the pig-f*****s wouldn’t be so brazenly self-serving and indifferent. It’ll never happen though, which is a shame. I guess people in this country have bought into the myth that they deserve to be shat upon by their supposed superiors.
Or people don't believe in violent mob rule,
I notice you haven't tried to burn down any MP's offices, have you bought into the "myth"?
When Paterson's wife committed suicude there was no suggestion that allegations against him were a possible contributory factor.
Coroner stated at the inquest she had a history of anxiety and depression.
How convenient for and sleazy of Paterson to claim that the enquiry was a factor in his wife's suicide.
Tory opportunism at it's finest.
Patterson resigns Scott free with a juicy pension and plenty of grubby directorships to look forward to
Its starting to feel a lot like Russia
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1456343571989254145?t=rkkIfHSnJFtWUpaT6jM8Ow&s=19
How convenient for and sleazy of Paterson to claim that the enquiry was a factor in his wife’s suicide.
Tory opportunism at it’s finest.
And the enquiry was delayed, at his request, because of his loss. And then the Leader of The House made the claim that the enquiry taking too long was grounds for ignoring it and reforming the process. A genuinely nasty insincere evil disingenuous well educated shit.
Read that FT piece tonight, before the paywall is turned back on. FT is free to read today.
@big and daft...
I don't think dazh was advocating mob rule? Rather he was expressing surprise that it hadn't happened.
Yet again you seem to prefer to troll rather than discuss. Which is a pity as you have made multiple good points previously, in other threads.
I wonder what could be achieved with positivity rather than negativity?
Read that FT piece tonight, before the paywall is turned back on. FT is free to read today.
Definitely worth it while you can.
I wonder what could be achieved with positivity rather than negativity?
A unified common ground to get these Tory shysters out of office?
Rather he was expressing surprise that it hadn’t happened.
Also said it was a shame that it doesn’t happen. An MP was killed recently. We need to unseat MPs that we think aren’t working for us. In the meantime they should be allowed to work safely, and their offices should not be attacked.
A unified common ground to get these Tory shysters out of office?
This. The election system is rigged in the Conservative’s favour already, and planned changes will embed this further. We need to acknowledge that and game the system. Put only one candidate up against each of them, and encourage each other and others to support that candidate. If we don’t, they will take the piss even more in their next term.
I don’t think dazh was advocating mob rule?
Oh I don’t know, I reckon we could do with a bit of mob violence to shake people out of their complacency. Couldn’t be much worse than the suited Eton educated mob we’re already ruled by.
In the meantime they should be allowed to work safely
Why? The state commits acts of violence on thousands of people every day either directly or indirectly. And the people who run that state get to enrich themselves at the cost of everyone else with no fear of ever being held to account. They’re laughing at us. They think we’re idiots. And we are.
Oh I don’t know, I reckon we could do with a bit of mob violence to shake people out of their complacency
Careful what you wish for.
An MP was killed recently. We need to unseat MPs that we think aren’t working for us. In the meantime they should be allowed to work safely, and their offices should not be attacked.
This.
As much as I'd love to see it
north Shropshire has been a tory safe seat for nearly 2 centuries
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1456389530039246856?t=q4nZTpD-oJAkESF_Zxp42w&s=19
Yeah, Paterson got almost 63% of the vote, and the turnout was pretty good too.
But even if they don't have much hope of winning it's still a good move. As the lib dems showed a while back you can make a good impression with offers of cooperation even if they're basically meaningless. And an anti-sleaze candidate automatically makes the other party the sleaze party.
We need to unseat MPs that we think aren’t working for us.
The game is stacked in their favour. They designed the rules, they gerrymander constituencies, they disenfranchise huge numbers of people, they lie and obfuscate at will, they control the police and the courts, and they control the media to make sure their opponents aren’t heard. So please tell me how we get rid of them, because I can’t see how that’s possible within this rigged system. It needs something else.
That system can be gamed. And should be. It needs the public to wise up, and opposition politicians to wake up to the reality of carrying on as normal. Attacking MPs and their offices is not the answer.
The game is stacked in their favour. They designed the rules, they gerrymander constituencies, they disenfranchise huge numbers of people, they lie and obfuscate at will, they control the police and the courts, and they control the media to make sure their opponents aren’t heard. So please tell me how we get rid of them, because I can’t see how that’s possible within this rigged system. It needs something else.
Spoken like a true patriot.
The fightback needs a catchy name like "The Tea Party" or "Oath Keepers".
The fightback needs a catchy name
If you’re referring to the US capitol insurrection I didn’t have much of a problem with that. It was good to finally see people rising up against a government that takes the piss out of them. It’s just a shame it was lead by rightwing nutters. The left could learn a thing or two, but as usual they’re too busy fighting amongst themselves for the scraps. Democracy, political institutions and politicians are only worth protecting if they serve the people. Can you honestly say the corrupt system we live under does that?
Has this been commented on?
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/upholding-standards-in-public-life-speech-by-lord-evans
Keynote speech by Lord Evans, chair of the Committee on Standards in Public Life; published on day of johnson's latest u-turn and paterson's resignation.
Then looking at cummings posts, he's telling Starmer & co how to further expose johnson; c'mon Kier, do it.
The old mantra - follow the money still holds good and johnson is a venal turd who isn't good at covering his tracks.
If you’re referring to the US capitol insurrection I didn’t have much of a problem with that.
Ah, the slipper wearing anarchist is back. You’ve been talking so much sense in recent days as well Dazh.
Anyone watch QT tonight?
Apparently Paterson's actions are okay 'cos he lost his wife and was quite ill himself recently. Can you imagine trying to get your ex-colleagues to use those excuses in a normal job?
I see they put some junior bag carrier muppet on to QT to defend the indefensible. I suppose we should just be grateful it wasn’t Helen Whately or Theresa Coffey
Duly savaged by Caroline Lucas and Emily Thornbury who pointed out that this is just Boris using this as an excuse to reform/neuter the authorities before they start looking into who paid for his own multiple free-holidaying, expensive wallpapering carrying on.
That **** from the Telegraph would make excuses for his mate/colleague Boris chucking kittens into a cement mixer
@binners - be nice, that nice young man from The Torygraph only appeared tonight to help out his good friends.
He really did come from central casting, didn’t he?
Do you reckon they all get their haircuts at the same place as well as their suits from the same shop?
****s!
Emily Thornbury was at her sneering best. Caroline Lucas made a lot of sense
There’s nothing like a good old sleaze scandal to jolt me out of my apathy.
Really? It's the sight of a self-serving Tory politician filling his boots what boils your piss?
It barely makes mine lukewarm.
If stamping out Tory sleaze is all that is required for you to retreat into a state of apathy then I can only marvel at how easy you are to satisfy.
Sadly I suspect that your attitude is one which you share with much of the wider public.
As much as I’d love to see it
north Shropshire has been a tory safe seat for nearly 2 centuries
Voting in a by-election is not like voting in the GE though. The voters know who the PM will be. The know ± 1 what the size of the majority will be. Many people probably don't bother voting there because "if you stick a blue rosette on a pig it would win" - but if there is a perception that there might be a protest to be made that might make a difference those people might get off their arse, whilst some died in the wool tories may not be prepared to vote for anyone else but in a less consequential election might be willing to abstain as a protest. Add in the genuinely pissed off, who will switch from tory to anti-sleaze (assuming the candidate is palatable), and those who normally vote Lib/Lab/Green and really want to bloody the tories nose and suddenly it starts to look like a credible battle. If the tories don't have a good candidate (and if you were that person in the local tory club itching to go to the big league would you go now in the midst of an embarrassing battle that might not go well, or would you let someone else take the fall and then swoop in at the next GE?). And then finally you have all the people who are not impressed with how the government are doing, but traditionally vote tory - they'll not vote labour or green, might not vote lib dem but with a sensible independent candidate might be happy to express their displeasure. After all I've not seen anyone other than those intricately entwined in the conservative party top tier say this debacle was OK - and I don't think anyone has tried to suggest any of the public want 2nd job MPs manipulating gov depts. I've never bet on an election but I'd consider it!
Caroline Lucas made a lot of sense
Not seen it. But can probably safely agree anyway. She rarely talks anything another than complete sense in my opinion. Hit us with a clip…
It’s the sight of a self-serving Tory politician filling his boots what boils your piss?
Not really. My apathy is mostly inspired by the failure of labour MPs to do their jobs. The difference there though is that they’ll do it for an MPs salary, whereas the tories demand much more.
It’s true though that my attitude towards MPs is shared with the wider public. I too think the vast majority of them are in it for themselves and are a waste of space.
My apathy is mostly inspired
Well that's good to hear.
That **** from the Telegraph would make excuses for his mate/colleague Boris chucking kittens into a cement mixer
Lol. It wil be an interesting day when the Telegraph turns on this Government
Tory sleaze is an actual light-weight 90s diversion when so many are dying per day. Bit like wallpaper-gate.
Next week no one will care.
Labour yet again putting more effort into attacking the government with stuff like this than going hard against COVID response, poverty etc etc.
If Ian Dunt is excited then you probably need to look to the bigger picture.
Voting in a by-election is not like voting in the GE though. The voters know who the PM will be. The know ± 1 what the size of the majority will be. Many people probably don’t bother voting there because “if you stick a blue rosette on a pig it would win” – but if there is a perception that there might be a protest to be made that might make a difference those people might get off their arse, whilst some died in the wool tories may not be prepared to vote for anyone else but in a less consequential election might be willing to abstain as a protest.
And this is why the Opposition Parties - all of them - need to take the chance to put up a single independent anti-sleaze candidate. Will wake up the electorate a bit. Strike while the iron is hot and start setting a narrative instead of chasing one. FFS even the Mail would get behind it given the size of the majority being safe.
But reports suggest Labour thinks its too complicated. It really ****ing isn't.
Yep, looks like it isn't going to happen
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59167967
I think its extremely interesting that the left blame everything but themselves for their poor performance at the polls
Its the system
Its the voters that don't understand
Its the media
etc, etc
The UK public want an aspirational government not one that talks down the country, the whole image is wrong.
They seem to be obsessed by making rich people poorer, does not matter what happens to the poor as long as long as Starbucks are poorer. They would be so happy if we all had nothing, because the rich people have lost.
The current government seem to be running a popularity contest, we have a chancellor who is out spending a Labour chancellor. I can only assume this is to take everyone's eye off the cluster **** that is brexit. Johnson is the luckiest PM in history, he could not have wished for something better than COVID to distract people from the current shit storm in Europe.
I have always been of the opinion that if you don't vote you can't moan sort of thing. In the last two election I went into the voting booth and just stared at the voting slip and thought what the hell do I do here.
But reports suggest Labour thinks its too complicated. It really **** isn’t.
Its libdems that apparently said this
I'm sceptical regardless of who they put up, a 200 year majority, 40% majority at the last few elections, 70+% leave constituency
Tories drop in a local brexiteer and its all theirs
Yip. Fire up the culture war, get the dog whistles out and wave those flags