[Closed] Overtaking.

glenp - Member

As 40mph is just over 17mps, the recommended 2 second rule would leave a distance of 35meters, or nearly double what you are implying is hanging back and not overtaking…

And yet, that is the gap that Mr Important is going to force his way into when he fails to overtake the entire line of traffic.

35 Meters. That's about 9 car lengths! Looks like plenty of room to me - unless as the first driver in the queue (current rights owner of first dibs at overtaking) you were following much closer than this?

2 seconds is 2 seconds.

Before you commence overtaking you need to see that you can get to a safe place - inserting yourself forcibly into a one second gap (as it will become) is not that.

This is what you need.
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molgrips - Member

The best argument most people seem to be able to summon against me is 'tough shit'.

Nope, you're just ignoring the other ones because they don't fit the argument you're enjoying.

molgrips - Member

Are you serious? This has nothing to do with my overtaking ability

I agree. But advanced driver training might help resolve this "queuing up in a shop" nonsense. Bad attitudes are as dangerous as a lack of skill, and just as valid a target of further training.

tinybits - Member

As 40mph is just over 17mps, the recommended 2 second rule would leave a distance of 35meters, or nearly double what you are implying is hanging back and not overtaking,

You're not allowed to say that, it's trolling apparently.

You've got absolutey no idea based on this stupid thread, because you're not really understanding what I'm saying.

Mol, you're not understanding the difference between people not understanding you, and totally disagreeing with you. Questions are still forthcoming as people think they see a gap in your argument and hope they can insert a wedge to open it up. I know what you're saying, I just happen to think its crap. Now I'm being pedantic about your posts as I'm a little bored... You've been very specific about how you drive, I think you're slow, hesitant, unwatchful and tailgater based upon your lengthy and repeated descriptions.

Surely the nub of it all is: does the overtaker have a safe space to insert themselves into? If the queue is made up of gaps of 2 seconds or less, then he (for it will certainly be a boy) doesn't.

Surely the nub of it all is: [s]does the overtaker have a safe space to insert themselves into? If the queue is made up of gaps of 2 seconds or less, then he (for it will certainly be a boy) doesn't.[/s] more dancing zebras!

Oi ! Flashy ! hands off my Banana !
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Wow, is this still going? If molly was this assertive (albeit for a woefully lost cause in this instance) in his driving, he wouldn't have this issue he seems at pains to describe in a way that makes him appear a very very average (in the Australian sense of the word) driver.

[i]Wow, is this still going? If molly was [s]this assertive (albeit for a woefully lost cause in this instance) in his driving, he wouldn't have this issue he seems at pains to describe in a way that makes him appear a very very average (in the Australian sense of the word) driver.[/s][/i] To have his keyboard moved to a distance beyond his reach. We could all move on.

Yes, and I'm not helping so I'm now out. Back to checking the post for my rubber queens!

Maybe he feels he has to take on TJ's mantle of arguing to the death / lifetime ban (which ever comes first)?

Hopefully one or the other, sooner or later

[i]Maybe he feels he has to take on TJ's mantle of arguing to the death[/i]

Those of us who are about to overtake, salute you !

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Surely the nub of it all is: does the overtaker have a safe space to insert themselves into? If the queue is made up of gaps of 2 seconds [s]or less, [/s]then he (for it will certainly be a boy) doesn't.

Actually, at the recommended 2 seconds, he does. He moves into gap, the following car drops back to maintain 2 second gap. It's hardly rocket science.

Hopefully one or the other, sooner or later

Reported.

Mol, you're not understanding the difference between people not understanding you, and totally disagreeing with you.

So are you.

People are assuming I'm not a decisive overtaker, and that I'm a dawdling granny. I'm neither. The reason I think I'm being misunderstood is that people are telling me their interpretation of my points and they're not correct.

They think I am arguing against the reasonable driver who only queue jumps when it's clear it's going nowhere. I'm not - I'm arguing against the dicks who barge past anyway without bothering to wait to see if I'm interested in going.

We all agree there are dicks on the road, don't we?

Actually, at the recommended 2 seconds, he does. He moves into gap, the following car drops back to maintain 2 second gap. It's hardly rocket science.

If the space is there to move in to, fine. If you are going to try and manufacture a safe space by forcing your way in and expecting the line of cars rearwards of you to oblige, then [u]not[/u] fine.

I'm arguing against the dicks who barge past anyway without bothering to wait to see if I'm interested in going.

I very rarely put myself on the wrong side of the road behind another car. Not enough visibility. Sometimes though if I can see very well, maybe it's a downhill followed by an uphill, I might.

Have you ever waited to overtake a lorry, had someone overtake you, and followed them past the lorry? Or is that a danger explosion?

I'm arguing against the dicks who barge past anyway [b]without bothering to wait[/b] to see if I'm interested in going.

And this is the bit people understand but completely disagree with you on.

Being behind you means the overtaking opportunity comes to you first, them later. If you haven't taken it at the earliest opportunity, why is it reasonable to expect them to wait?

[i]People are assuming I'm not a decisive overtaker, and that I'm a dawdling granny. I'm neither.[/i]

you don't want to follow an overtaking car if he then has the ability to deprive you of a safe place to go.

The correct thing to do here is overtake them as well as soon as they pull back in. 😉

Planning an overtake will usually take a good few seconds whilst you weigh up the hazards - a frustrated driver clearly stuck behind a slow moving vehicle is definitely a danger sign because they are likely to be looking to move out and overtake. A line of frustrated drivers even more so.

You need to be certain that the reason you are overtaking is not just that you are prepared to risk it when others aren't. No matter in what you high regard you hold your road warrior skills and how superior you feel to these other poor sheep on the road it is almost certainly the case that they have made a balanced decision which you should think about. Just assuming they are all muppets and bowling past is very dangerous.

The correct thing to do here is overtake them as well as soon as they pull back in.

Being behind you means the overtaking opportunity comes to you first, them later. If you haven't taken it at the earliest opportunity, why is it reasonable to expect them to wait?

Well if you read back, the problem with queue jumping involves more than just me, the speedy man and the lorry.

Well if you read back, the problem with queue jumping involves more than just me, the speedy man and the lorry.

Actually, reading back, it appears the problem is mostly you....

Now, now Zokes. Play nicely. 🙂

I've not read any of this bar seeing a nicely animated banana a page or two back when I popped in but I'm well impressed that this thread is pushing Thatchers death on the number of pages count.

STW has excelled itself by making as much noise about overtaking as it does about the death of the most divisive prime minister we had in the 20th century.

Err, that's it.

Come on, I suspect more that 75% of the >700 posts involve some variation on [b][i]IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!!![/i][/b]

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a nicely animated banana

I too enjoyed this banana.

And the monkey.

Having a low opinion of other drivers is also a big danger - again; make assumptions at your (and everyone else's) peril. Half way down that line of cars you might suddenly realise why they aren't overtaking…

[i]Actually, reading back, it appears the problem is mostly you....[/i]

Well yea - except for that time when the guy ahead just about manages to get back in and you're high and dry because the first decent look at the road you got was when he pulled into safety!

You seem to forget, I'm driving a van. Can see over the top of cars. 8)

(oh, plus I wasn't being entirely serious)

[i]I too enjoyed this banana.

And the monkey.[/i]

But don't get the two of them in the same room together.

it is almost certainly the case that they have made a balanced decision which you should think about.

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[i]Ay! Its nice here init will we stop at the next village for a nice cup of tea[/i]

[i]We'd better Mavis I'm bursting[/i]

[i]75% of the >700 posts involve some variation on IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!!![/i]

This *is* the Thatcher thread 😉

Having a low opinion of other drivers is also a big danger

Well that's just semantics, or maybe just me not explaining myself properly - I meant that it is dangerous to assume that the drivers failing to overtake are beneath you/in slower cars/asleep. It may well be the case that there is a really good reason for the line of cars holding station, and it's just that you as the rear-most vehicle can't see what the reason is yet.

I agree by the way that if you are going to overtake you need to be decisive - I strongly disagree however with anyone that bases that decision on the belief that they are a better driver than anyone else.

Or it could be the you can see clearly and are in a line of non overtaking dithers and accelerate past the lot if them, at which point an overly aggressive, Prius driver who has clearly been asleep wakes up and tries to take you out because it's not fair he was too busy reading current mpg and not the road ahead.

Yep, tinybits, that might happen. One of the many reasons that skipping a line of cars ought to be an exception, not a rule. Too many variables.

It may well be the case that there is a really good reason for the line of cars holding station, and it's just that you as the rear-most vehicle can't see what the reason is yet.

Yeah, often there's five or six lorries or caravans ahead and the rest of us have realised that it's not worth bothering as the motorway's coming up soon anyway.